Jul 10, 2007

Chapter 42 -- Addresses To The Lost

I dealt much with this issue in chapters 19 & 21, but will deal with it more at length in the next few chapters. It deserves that much attention. The question of whether the gospel and word of God are means in creating faith and repentance, in regenerating and converting the soul, directly bears on how the Lord, and the apostles and prophets, addressed those who were declared to be unregenerate. What can we learn by looking at the addresses that Christ and the prophets and apostles made to those who were spiritually dead in their sins?

That there has been a great change in the "Primitive Baptist" denomination on this issue is clearly evident to anyone with a smattering of knowledge of their history. As I have said in previous chapters, this denomination, contrary to its boastful claims about "not changing," throughout their approximately 200 hundred year history, have changed much in doctrine and actual practice. Analysis of these changes will be enlarged upon in upcoming chapters. Some of those changes will become apparent in the present chapter as we look at how the first Old Baptists (1600's) addressed the dead in sin, how the first Hardshells also did, and how you cannot now find anyone, in the "Primitive Baptist Church," who calls upon dead sinners to come to Christ for salvation and the new birth, as did founding fathers, Elders Grigg Thompson and John Watson.

I want to first cite from two of what we might call second and third generation Hardshells, from Elder Sylvester Hassell and from Elder Silas Durand, and then from Elder Gilbert Beebe, a first generation Hardshell. Then I will again cite from two other leading men among the first generation of "Old Baptists" (in America, Watson and G. Thompson) and see if they shared the view of Hassell, Durand & Beebe. I will also compare the "invitations" given by these first "anti-mission" Baptists, as John Watson and Grigg Thompson, wherein they "addressed" those whom they designated as unregenerate, and compare their "addresses" to today's Hardshell ministry in that regard.

Durand

"Throughout the scriptures living souls (people already supposedly already "regenerated" - SMG) are designated as the subjects of gospel address. "He hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor." (Luke 4:18) "The poor have the gospel preached to them." (Matt. 11:5) "Children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth the Lord, unto you is the word of this salvation sent." (Acts 13:26) "Ho, every one that thirsteth." (Isaiah 55:1) "I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth." (Rom.1:16) All these, the poor, those who fear God, the thirsty and the believer, are living characters."

("To Whom Is The Gospel Preached?" - By Elder Silas Durand -January 8, 1881)

(http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/8890/grace/gospel.html)

Hassell

"The gospel addresses of the Scriptures are addressed, we believe, to gospel characters—to those persons who have spiritual life, hearing, needs and appetites. These limitations are either directly expressed or implied by the circumstances. Even the letter of the word, where there is any fullness of narration, and the dictates of common sense teach this important fact. Inspired men could, far better than we, read the hearts of those whom they addressed; and they addressed hearers of different characters, and there­fore used sometimes the imperative and sometimes the indicative mood. God’s under-shepherds are directed, not to create, but to tend the flock. I cannot conceive what benefit can be supposed by a believer in sovereign and efficacious grace to be derived from universally and untruthfully extending the comforting spiritual addresses of the gospel to those declared in the Scriptures to be dead in trespasses and sins—Christ expressly forbids that pearls should be cast before swine (Matt. 7:6).

Unless the Spirit of God first come and impart Divine life and light to the hearer, such addresses will be forever and totally vain. The imperative mood has no more power than the indicative mood, in the mouth of a preacher, to awaken the dead to life. No language or labor of man, and no fact in creation or providence, independently of the Divine Spirit, has the slightest efficacy to take away the sinner’s heart of stone and give him a heart of flesh. I do not deny that the minister may at times have a Divine persuasion that some of his hearers are spiritually alive, and that he may not then properly address them in the imperative mood."
(Hassell's History, chapter Ten, page 339)

And again, he writes:

"Though in one article admitting that the evidence of our interest in the blessings of eternal life must be internal, yet he (Andrew Fuller -- SMG), in another article, says that “the terms hunger, thirst, labor, heavy laden, etc., do not denote spiritual desires, and do not mark out the persons who are entitled to come to Christ.” In accordance with this Fullerite principle, I myself heard the most learned Fullerite in North Carolina declare, in preaching upon Isaiah 55:1, that the address of the prophet applied to every human being, for that all men thirst after something." (pages 338,339)

And finally, he writes:

"The eminently pious and learned Baptist ministers, John Skepp (who died 1721), John Brine (who died 1765), and John Gill (who died 1771)——the latter the most learned man that has ever borne the name of Baptist——entertained precisely the same views of the sovereignty and efficacy of Divine grace as are held by the Bible Baptists of today. Though they proclaimed to sinners that they were in danger and on the high road to perdition, they did not call upon all men, whether spiritually concerned or not, to repent and believe the gospel. They dwelt much on the Divine purposes, and on the Bible fact that salvation is of the Loral." (Chapter X THE DOCTRINE OF GRACE, AND MISSIONS)

And now let us cite from Hardshell founding father, Elder Gilbert Beebe.

"The passage, “Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden,” etc. is sufficiently clear and explicit. It is addressed to all who labor and are heavy laden, and to no others; and whenever and wherever these words are applied by the Holy Spirit to any poor, laboring, heavy laden sinner, that sinner will as surely come to Jesus as it is sure that the dead will rise when the voice of God calls them forth. The dead neither labor nor are they heavy laden, they slumber unconsciously in their graves; and all men are dead in sin, and as destitute of spiritual vitality until they are quickened by the Spirit, as the body of Lazurus was of natural life before Jesus raised him from the grave. But as soon as a sinner is quickened by the Holy Ghost he becomes a laborer, and is burdened with a heavy weight of guilt, and such are called to Jesus and find rest to their souls in bearing His yoke, which is easy, and His burden, which is light." ("Invitations of the Gospel")
http://members.aol.com/gregscv/gos_inv.htm

Beebe also wrote, in the same article:

"The declaration of Christ to the self-righteous Jews that He had not come to call or save righteous people, but to call sinners to repentance, does not admit of the construction that He had come to call all the sinners of Adam’s race to repentance..."

It is not my intent, in this chapter, to deal in detail with whether all these terms, like thirsty, burdened, etc., are descriptive of saved or unsaved people. I will show, however, that John Gill, who many think did not call upon the unregenerate to come to Christ for regeneration, and who you would think, therefore, shared the view of Hassell and Durand, on the passage in Matthew 11:28-31, nevertheless disagreed with them and the Hyper-Calvinist interpretation, and was in agreement with his supposed nemesis, Andrew Fuller!

Here is what Gill wrote in commentary upon Matthew 11:28-30.

"Ver. 28. Come unto me,.... Christ having signified, that the knowledge of God, and the mysteries of grace, are only to be come at through him; and that he has all things relating to the peace, comfort, happiness, and salvation of men in his hands, kindly invites and encourages souls to come unto him for the same...but it is to be understood of believing in Christ, the going of the soul to him, in the exercise of grace on him, of desire after him, love to him, faith and hope in him: believing in Christ, and coming to him, are terms synonymous, Joh 6:35. Those who come to Christ aright, come as sinners, to a full, suitable, able, and willing Saviour; venture their souls upon him, and trust in him for righteousness, life, and salvation, which they are encouraged to do, by this kind invitation; which shows his willingness to save, and his readiness to give relief to distressed minds.

The persons invited, are not "all" the individuals of mankind, but with a restriction, all ye that labour, and are heavy laden; meaning, not these who are labouring in the service of sin and Satan, are laden with iniquity, and insensible of it: these are not weary of sin, nor burdened with it; not do they want or desire any rest for their souls; but such who groan, being burdened with the guilt of sin upon their consciences, and are pressed down with the unsupportable yoke of the law, and the load of human traditions; and have been labouring till they are weary, in order to obtain peace of conscience, and rest for their souls, by the observance of these things, but in vain. These are encouraged to come to him, lay down their burdens at his feet, look to, and lay hold by faith on his person, blood, righteousness, and sacrifice; when they should enjoy that true spiritual consolation, which could never be attained to by the works of the law.

And I will give you rest; spiritual rest here, peace of conscience, ease of mind, tranquillity of soul, through an application of pardoning grace, a view of free justification by the righteousness of Christ, and full atonement of sin by his sacrifice; and eternal rest hereafter, in Abraham's bosom, in the arms of Jesus, in perfect and uninterrupted communion with Father, Son, and Spirit."


So, it is clear that Gill believed that the Lord was inviting lost "sensible sinners" to come to him for "salvation" and for "eternal rest."

Well has one writer said about Gill, in regard to this matter:

“The conventional interpretation of Gill is that he was a hyper-Calvinist, meaning that he not only taught double predestination but that he also drew from that doctrine the conclusion that the evangelistic offering of Christ to the unconverted was inappropriate. Leon McBeth adopted this interpretation of Gill when he wrote that Gill "was so jealous to maintain the sovereignty of God that he refused ‘‘to offer Christ’’ to unregenerate sinners and taught others to make the same refusal."

"On the other hand, Timothy George, among others, has called for a reassessment of Gill’s work. He points out that Gill’s objection to a preacher’s "offering Christ" to the unconverted arose from Gill’s belief that only the Holy Spirit can offer Christ, and he quotes Gill as encouraging young ministers to "preach the gospel of salvation to all men, and declare, that whosoever believes shall be saved: for this they are commissioned to do." Still, George concedes that Gill may have been so preoccupied with defending the gospel from dangers on the left that he did little to stay the erosion on the right, that is, hyper-Calvinism. George summarizes his evaluation of Gill as follows:

We may justly conclude that while Gill believed in harmony with the wider Augustinian tradition, that God, to the praise of His glory, had chosen from eternity to save a certain number of persons from the lost race of humanity, he disparaged neither the means God had ordained to effect the conversion of the elect nor the evangelical mandate to proclaim the good news of God’s gracious provision to all the lost.

Because of Gill’s immense learning and influence, it is important to identify his position, and it is likely that experts in his work will continue to debate that position. However that issue is resolved, or whether it is resolved, it is clear that some eighteenth-century Baptists accepted the view that a genuine commitment to Calvinism entailed a refusal to evangelize and that the refutation, or perhaps better, the transcending, of that view was indispensable to the health of Baptists.


The struggle between these two points of view was conducted by followers of Gill and followers of Andrew Fuller, the pastor in Kettering whose views were summarized in his book The Gospel Worthy of All Acceptation."

http://www.baptisthistory.org/bhh.htm

I will have a great deal more to say about John Gill in chapters dedicated to him and to what the Hardshells have had to say about him and his views.

But, before I go further, let me list the things, in the above citations, that need to be addressed at this time. As I said, I will deal with the issue of whether the passages cited by Hassell and Durand and which speak of those "invited" to "come to Christ" as being "poor," "burdened," "thirsty," etc., are to be interpreted as describing born again saved people, or rather as describing those who are "without Christ," and "dead in trespasses and sins." I agree with Gill's interpretation and I think he has shown well that what these souls come to Christ to obtain is salvation, new birth, renewal and regeneration.

It was not the common interpretation of such passages, as Matthew 11:28-30, given out by Hassell and Durand, second and third generation Hardshell "apologists" as they are, that the first Hardshells embraced.


It is evident that Elder and medical doctror, John Watson, who labored forty years among the "anti-mission Baptists," from 1826-1866, accepted the view of Hassell and Durand on Matthew 11:28-30, but, as we shall see, he did not share their views that the elect are born again and come to know Christ apart from the means of the gospel. He also too, like most of the first generation of Hardshell forefathers, addressed the unregenerate and called upon them to flee to Christ for the miracle of regeneration.


As one goes further away from the genesis of the Hardshell denomination, one sees less and less such exhortations to the lost to be saved. This was a thing deeply lamented by Elder Watson. He referred to his "anti-mission" brothers who were not doing this, and who were rather "scandolizing" their brethren who did call upon the lost to repent and come to Christ, as "Ultraists" and "Antinomians."

Elder John M. Watson

“I was received into an Old Baptist Church, at this place, known by the name of Wilson’s Creek Church.” (1826?page 31 of his book "The Old Baptist Test")

“While on the subject of my ministry I will state, that my health is at this time, June, 1866, very bad; my physicians are very doubtful of my recovery; in fact, I am afraid I shall not live long enough to supervise the printing of this work...” (Page 40)

From these two statements, from his book, "The Old Baptist Test," we can say that he was writing from the perspective of forty years among the Hardshells. He also lived in the most critical period in the formation of the "Primitive Baptist" denomination.

The Hardshells are fond of arguing many false and erroneous things relative to the history of their separation from the main body of Baptists and one of their favorite sources for "proof" of their claims comes from a book from a Baptist historian who was fully missionary minded, and who abhored the views of the Hardshell Hyper Calvinists, David Benedict, who wrote several histories, one being called "Fifty Years Among The Baptists." I will hopefully deal with some of this argumentation and "proof," and with what Benedict actually wrote, in later chapters.

So, we might, with propriety, call Watson's book, in addition to "The Old Baptist Test," "Forty Years Among The Hardshells." What does Watson tell us about these important forty years? What does he say about preaching the gospel to the unregenerate? What does he say about means in regeneration? Let us hear him a bit.

"Upon this principle, the Gospel is preached to all, repentance and an interest in a Saviour's blood is offered to all. The charitable invitation "whosoever will" goes out to all inviting them to "take the water of life freely."

While all Gospel Ministers feel the weight of duty in extending this invitation, yet they know at the same time, that a depraved will is under a wicked influence, and that such a will never leads a soul to Christ. But that God is able to subdue the stubborn will, to change the evil disposition, and to prepare the sinner for salvation, in opposition to the devil and all his unholy influences. Then, brethren in the ministry, we should take courage...Let us rear the blood stained BANNER OF THE CROSS, with the blessed and heavenly watchword "whosoever will," inscribed in living letters all over its ample folds."
(Old Baptist Test, page 15)

"Reader...I must address you in one of three characters. Are you a believer? if so, suffer a few words of exhortation...But alas! you may be altogether an unbeliever, but hardly so, for if that be your character, you would, I fear, have laid aside this book before reaching the conclusion. But you may providentially have opened it just here. What shall I say to you? I must in meekness and in love instruct you, if peradventure, the Lord may give you repentance to an acknowledgment of the truth, as it is in Him. I know no other way but to declare unto you, Jesus Christ our Lord. He is exalted to give repentance, and this you must have or perish. He is the great object of faith, and he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Do none of the things of Christ move your heart? Have you no relish for His name? No concern about His salvation? If not I must leave you under the law; I am unwilling, knowing the terrors of the law, to leave you there. II Cor. 5:11...Then call upon HIm while He is near, submit to His gracious plan of saving sinners. We regard it as a privilege, and know and feel it to be a duty to tell you these things, though it be in word only, praying that they may reach your heart in the power and assurance of the holy spirit."
(pages 53,54)

He must go away, that the Comforter might come, to give efficacy, unfailing efficacy to all the means which He ordained for the ingathering of these “other sheep.” Means which, when instituted and employed by the Divine Spirit, will take the way of God’s predestination, in all their efficacy; hence, they derive both WAY and POWER from God.” (Page 80)

“This then brings me to the subject of their calling. This was of God, and gave efficacy and certainty to all other callings – by the preacher – by the written word, or by any means whatever. (Page 81)

“Thus, the Gospel as the power of God could not fail to reach them with its blessings bad as their natural state was. Any inferior power would have failed. The Gospel as the Power of God must accord, in its practical course, with the foreknowledge and predestination of God. It is absurd to entertain a thought to the contrary.” (Page 81)

We may therefore learn that the preaching of Paul, and of others was included in the calling of God. Hence, the Apostle asks the questions, how can they hear without a preacher? And how can they preach except they be sent? And may I not ask most significantly here by whom are they sent? Will our missionary Baptists allow Christ to answer?” (Page 82)

“Although the holy scriptures are thus explicit on the subject of preaching as ordained in subordinate agreement with the inward calling of God, they are no less plain in regard to the general call of the gospel as proclaimed under the last commission which embraces every creature. As it is very necessary for us to entertain correct views of this part of our subject also, I will offer a few remarks just here for the consideration of some of our ultra brethren, who, I fear, have imbibed erroneous views on this important subject. And I further fear that all such will object to my exposition of it; but see, brethren, that you do not, by so doing, refuse the testimony of the Bible!

There is, strange to say, an error entertained by some brethren, that the minister of the Lord should not call on “all men every where to repent;” of sinners to look to Christ and be saved; nor on unbelievers to believe. They are constantly saying, to preach in this way betrays Arminianism on the part of the ministry which thus exhorts its hearers, and also on the part of the Church which tolerates such preaching! Observe, shall we become Arminians by faithfully preaching according to the commission given by the Savior? Some, indeed seem to think so! For when the minister discharges his duty zealously, faithfully and in a gospel manner, there are certain ones who cry out, he is an Arminian! The great error, that this is one of the varieties of Arminianism, is affecting both our pulpits and Churches; for instead of requiring this kind of preaching, and sustaining it as a Church, we fear some are opposed to it, and use their influence to suppress it? I ask now, in the name of this world-wide commission, including as it does every creature capable of hearing, and which authorizes and commands the ministerial servants of the Lord to preach the gospel to every creature, who does so? with that love, zeal and regard for the sinner, I subjoin to the question, which the Lord enjoins. Further, is it not to be feared that we have in this way grieved and silenced to some extent the spirit of exhortation in our pulpits? The spirit of exhortation which spoke out plainly and fully, through primitive ministers in the great affair of bringing in these “other sheep” we fear is now with us only in a grieved and vexed state! Primitive preachers did not suppress it, nor attempt to confine its word of exhortation to believers only, as some affect to do among us!
(Pages 84,85)

“It is high time that our Churches were looking after their preachers in this respect, and calling on them for those pointed warm gospel exhortations which accompanied Christ’s primitive ministry. Brethren, have we not deviated somewhat in this particular from the Apostolic mode of preaching? If so, let us correct our errors by the word of God. Who is willing to attempt it? Who is ready to lead off in this great but neglected work as “examples” to more timid and fearful ones? Let those undertake it who are able to convince the gainsayers from the word of God, that such preaching was commanded by the Lord; and that the preaching of his servants as long as we have a Scriptural history of it furnishes a practical example of this mode of preaching the gospel.

A gospel without exhortation; without a call on the sinner to repent and believe; a gospel which does not in word address itself to all; is not the gospel which Christ ordained subordinately for the bringing in of his “other sheep.”
(Pages 84-86)

“Let us take a practical example. We have it on record in the 13th chapter of the Acts of the Apostles. When Paul and Barnabas preached at Antioch of Pisidia, had any of our ultra brethren been there and heard their zealous appeal to all those present, they would have called them Arminians.” (Page 86)

“While we combat this ministerial deviation of ours on the part of some, which affects to find Arminianism where there is none, let us carefully guard against those tenets which do really involve it. For instance, when we in our doctrine maintain that by means of our devising, we can extend the spiritual blessings of the gospel beyond the ordination or election of God, and employ such means for such a purpose, we then deviate both from the principles and practical course of the gospel, and thereby plainly indicate that we are Arminians in the proper sense of that term, so justly opprobious to the Old Order of Baptists. But as long as we call on men to repent every where, believing that God only can give repentance, and that he will give it to as many as are ordained unto eternal life, even if He does not to as many as we may address, we may escape all Arminianism, and more especially if our practical course in preaching does not involve any unscriptural methods."

"Let us see: The zealous preacher calls on all to repent, earnestly, faithfully and I may add, gospelly, but alas! the old brother whose head has got wrong, whose heart has grown cold, says all cannot repent, some have not the power to do so. How does he know? Peradventure the Lord has given the power to repent to the very ones whom he has in his feelings excluded. The secret power, and merciful grace of repentance may have pervaded their souls hidden and unseen by him, and be moving their hearts in the sure way of repentance towards God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Forgetting that He who gives repentance and faith, also gave the word; and that he who is exalted a Prince and Saviour to give repentance unto the elect, also commanded that his gospel should be preached in the letter to all–to every creature. But the objector here repeats that all men will not receive its blessings, and why call on all to receive them! But how dare any to say when the faithful preacher is calling on a congregation to receive these blessings, that some of them may not be at that time receiving them. The gospel may be going forth to them not in word only as they suppose, but “in power, in much assurance and in the Holy Ghost.”
(Pages 86,87)

"“How mortifying to the feelings of a faithful preacher to be called an Arminian on account of preaching according to the very commission which Christ gave for the rule and government of his ministry. Brethren preachers, it is high time that we strive to please God in this affair rather than men. It is high time indeed that some of us were waking up on this subject; let us rather exhort our opposing brethren to pray the Lord that he would open the hearts of our hearers to attend to the truths which we may preach, knowing that none will heed to profit without this blessing, to the great end that the “other sheep” of our day may be brought in. Here again the objector says, why pray for that which is sure?” (Page 88)

“There are yet a few who contend for the general outward call of the Gospel, but we doctrinise it to (sic) much, lest some ultra brother should conclude that we are Arminians.” (Page 89)

“Now let us consider the practical manner in which these “other sheep” were brought in. Paul was assured by the Lord, that he had “much people” in Corinth, and was commanded to preach and not to fear–“Them I also must bring.” How? Paul is the preacher, and though an Apostle, God will direct his ministry. This is entirely subordinate to God and not to man, or any association of men. No not even of it were composed of Apostles!”

“Did these Corinthians hear through the preaching of Paul, by his words, or through the “demonstration of the spirit?” By both. The one was of the preacher, and the other of God. Who dare separate them? Who can unite them? God and God only. How do they become united?”

“This vital union of the word and the spirit is of grace; is not of the power of this world.”

But they could not hear without a preacher, hence the divine plan included preaching, and inasmuch as it was embraced in the divine arrangement, it must be directed and maintained by t he Lord, as it has always been and ever will be. “God who commanded the light to shine out of darkness,” shined into their hearts, not only in the light of Paul’s preaching, but also in the light of the demonstration of the Holy Ghost. Otherwise Paul’s preaching would not have been heeded.”
(Pages 94,95)

“The blessings of Abraham–of the Gospel–came upon these Gentiles, by Jesus Christ, and not by works of righteousness, which they did...their state, being under sin before conversion, is the state which we know we were in. To be under sin, is to be under the curse of sin, and to be under the curse of sin, is to be under the death of sin. Nothing, then, but the Gospel, as the power of God, can deliver from this actual state of things. The soul must have life, it must repent, it must believe, it must persevere. Gospel blessings only, through Jesus Christ, not works of merit on our part–can produce these spiritual–not fleshy–results.” (Page 112)

“...let them have all the benefits of evangelical preaching, believing, as we do, that the great design of this providence about which I have been treating, is to bring in God’s elect among them, as I have before stated.” (Page 142)

“My text further says, “They shall hear my voice.” – “the still small voice of truth pervading the whole soul in the power of the Holy Spirit.” (Page 154)

“The Galatians began in the Spirit, by hearing the voice of Christ.”

“Thus did these “other sheep” hear the voice of Christ according to the different modes of expression, as just cited, meaning in every example the same thing–the hearing of the voice of the Son of God inwardly, mystically, effectually. Christ never brought one of them without this.”

“As they are all brought by the same spirit, the same gospel.”
(Page 155)

“Further, I was much surprised as well as mortified that they evinced so little concern about the unbrought “other sheep” which the Saviour said he must bring. They lay great stress on these words of the Saviour, but do not regard other things which he connected with the bringing them in as they ought to do. I heard but few prayers for the sending forth of laborers into his field; nor did I see much concern in any way about them.” (Page 181)
“They preach well about the ‘effectual call,’ as they term it, but not so well about the outward one.” (Ibid)

“I felt inclined to ask these orthodox christians, if they believed that any of the “other sheep” are now among the heather nations? And if they were watching the providence of God in regard to them? Moreover, if they felt under any obligations to search them out; to pray unto the Lord to bring them in; and to encourage, aid and send out any who may feel called of the Lord to preach to them? I find that the great extravagance of many who have engaged in this work has had a very bad influence on these people, and probably prevented them in some instances from performing their duty toward the “other sheep” which may be in distant countries. And I really fear should any one profess a call of this kind, he would not receive the fellowship and assistance which he would be entitled to. Thus I fear they do not act as did those who heeded all the commandments of the Lord.” (Page 181,182)

“I will also close my fanciful sketch of realities, and entertain the fact that we are the Old Order of Baptists of the nineteenth century, justly chargeable with the deviations acknowledged, looking prayerfully and hopefully for their correction by the word of the Lord, and the light of grace in the hearts of our brethren.” (Page 182)

“The manner of these reforms is now open for discussion, and I suggest that it be carried on in the Herald of Truth.” (Page 183)

It is erroneously believed by many that they have no concern about the unconverted, as they stand aloof to some of the modern means of converting sinners. This is also a misapprehension; for they employ all the Scriptural means for that purpose; at least their doctrine embraces them. They, however, make a Scriptural distinction between the duties of men and the work of God. They perform their duty by faith, trusting more in the Lord than in their own efforts. They do not expect, like many, to succeed by virtue of their great efforts. They do not predicate the conversion of sinners on human effort, but on the mercy of God; the way of which, however, involves certain Scriptural duties to the unregenerated, which they are willing to perform in faith.” (Page 230)

“We have often heard certain persons say, if they believed the things which we do, they would not exhort believers to perform their duties, or sinners to repent. They do not perceive how such exhortations and warnings may be transformed by the power of God into grace itself!

By our doctrine we are encouraged to exhort sinners, for we, by faith, look to the grace which sanctions it, and seals it often to the heart

If these be the means of grace, let us employ them, though we may often fail in the use of them, in our own strength.

There is a palpable difference between a literal declaration of Gospel truths by the minister and a demonstration of them by the Holy Spirit; the former is general and the latter special. Nor does the specialty of the one interfere with the generality of the other. A supposition that these conflict with each other has induced many to conclude that we violate our doctrine whenever we exhort; but such a conclusion is very erroneous. The Gospel must be preached, in its literal fullness, to all, though a ‘demonstration of the Spirit’ he confined to a chosen few. Matt. 20:15,20; 22:16; I Thess. 1:5.”
(Page 233)

“And he said unto them, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.” Mark 16: 15,16) The unscriptural sayings which have been predicated of this text, have done much heretical mischief among the Old Baptists. Some of our ultraists are occasionally heard to say, in our pulpits, that they have no authority to preach to sinners, and they seem to glory in their fancied exemption. Nothing appears to give them greater offence, or savors more of Arminianism with them, than for sinners to be exhorted to repent!

That the commission extends to such, is apparent from the fact that some believe, and some do not. Those who believe were unbelievers before, and the unbelieving of others can only be predicated of their hearing. What said the prophet? “O ye dry bones, hear ye the word of the Lord.” I would just state here, at once, that I have no idea that sinners, dead in trespasses and sins, will ever believe through the mere preaching of the Gospel, or through the exhortations of the Lord’s ministers, any more than that the dry bones would have lived through the prophecying of the prophet, apart from what the Lord did for them. But that fact does nut nullify the commission to preach to them, but on the contrary greatly strengthens it. The divine assuance that God’s word will prosper in the thing whereunto He hath sent it, affords great encouragement to preach to sinners. If it be said by the objector that they are deaf and cannot hear, faith replies God can open their ears; if said they are dead, faith again says God will give them life; and thus faith can meet all the objections which can be urged against preaching to the very chief of sinners, and at the same time exclude that Arminianism which some affect to see in a course of this kind. Where is the Arminianism, I would ask, in doing what the Lord has expressly commanded us to do? unless, however, it be by doing these things without faith. It seems to me that two very opposite errors may be indicated here:


1. The Arminian takes the means out of the hands of God, in toto, or in part, and uses them according to His own strength, and they then degenerate into Arminian powers.

2. The Antinomian will not regard any thing in the light of means, and in his doctrine will not allow even the Lord to employ them, says that the Lord is not dependent on means, and can do all His work without them. Now, the truth is, had it been the will or the way of the Lord, He would have breathed upon the dry bones as well without the prophecying of the prophet as with it, and could have given repentance to John’s converts, or to Paul’s, without their preaching; but their preaching to such, even to those dead in trespasses and sins, had been included in the divine plan, and it needs must be done, let it be termed means, the will or way of the Lord, as you please.” Pages 327,328)

“While Paul, for instance, is preaching and exhorting all his hearers to believe the Gospel tidings, a secret, unobserved, hidden power is operating on the few in the way of divine ordination.” (Pages 328, 329)

“Why did the Lord give a commission to preach to every creature, when it was not His design to save every creature? I will answer it as soon as the following one is correctly answered: “Why was it necessary that the word of the Lord should be first preached to the unbelieving Jews, who despised and wondered at it, and put it away from them, before it was preached to the Gentiles?” Let us learn our duty as ministers, examine our commission, and see how fully it authorizes us, in faith, to exhort the sinner to repent, believing that the Lord can give him repentance; so as to believe, believing that the Lord can give faith.” (Page 329)

Speaking of the “Antinomians” he says:

“In short, we have taught the word of doctrine to our hearers, without stopping to exhort them to be “doers of the word.” Such preaching has been a great injury to us as a denomination; it has quenched the spirit of exhortation among us, and the exhorter is afraid to call on sinners to repent, for fear of being called an Arminian. Parkerites and Antinomians call the things which have been so much neglected Arminianism, and they have thus, in a goodly degree, suppressed them. But, as there is some prospect of our getting clear of that heresy, we hope to see the spirit of exhortation revive among us again; to see our ministers take up the long-neglected things just indicated; and to see our Brethren going forth in all the obedience of faith. We had better thus incur the Parkerite’s reproachful term, Arminian, than the Bible penalties for a neglect of them.” (Page 330)

“We are great sticklers for the Holy Scriptures; we deduce our doctrinal creed from them with great care, but do not conform our lives to their practical precepts as we should.” (Page 234)

Elder R.W. Fain

From “Introductory Essay” by R.W. Fain

“Upon this principle, the Gospel is preached to all, repentance and an interest in a Savior’s blood is offered to all. The charitable invitation “whosoever will” goes out to all inviting them to “take the water of life freely.

While all Gospel Ministers feel the weight of duty in extending this invitation, yet they know at the same time, that a depraved will is under a wicked influence, and that such a will never leads a soul to Christ. But that God is able to subdue the stubborn will, to change the evil disposition, and to prepare the sinner for salvation, in opposition to the devil and all his unholy influences.

Then, Brethren in the ministry, we should take courage. Let us go forth “with the whole armor of God” and do battle for his cause. Let us preach Jesus Christ our Saviour “the way, the truth, and the life.” Let us preach Him a choosing, Electing, and loving Saviour. Let us rear the blood stained BANNER OF THE CROSS, with the blessed and heavenly watchword “whosoever will,” inscribed in living letters over its ample folds.”
(pages 9-16 of "The Old Baptist Test")

Elder Grigg Thompson (Watson mentions Elder GM Thompson on page 48 of his "Old Baptist Test")

"To you, my unconverted friend, I want to say a word before I sit down. 0 that you could realize how miserable the state of all unrenewed souls are! They can lay no claim to Christ; not one of the precious promises of the gospel belong to them, and are therefore under an impossibility of salvation while in their sinful, unregenerated state. 0, sinner, if this is the state of thy soul today, and shall be forever, better had it been for thee never to have been God's natural workmanship as a man, except thou be his workmanship as a new creature in Christ. So speaks Christ of Judas, the son of perdition, "It had been good for that man if he had not been born;" Matt., xxvi, 24. Lost beings are without light or comfort; they wander in darkness, and stumble into the pit. They shall indeed see Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of God, but they themselves shall be shut out; Luke xiii, 28. 0, it is better to have no being at all, than to have a being that only capacitates us for misery, and to desire death while death flies from us; Rev., iv, 6. 0, sinner, this is thy state; think of it, lay it to thine heart; better thou hadst died from the womb, better the knees had prevented thee, and the breasts which thou hast sucked, than that thou shouldst live and die a stranger to the new birth. You today may regard this truth as a hard saying; you may hate it, and try to cast it from your mind, but he before whom you will have to stand in the great day of judgment, has spoken the truth with his own infallible lips, "Except ye be born again, you can not see the kingdom of God." Dear, dying sinner, don't be deceived; all who point out some other way for you to become a new creature in Christ Jesus are but lying spirits, and to follow their counsel will be eternal ruin. I love you, therefore I tell you the truth; I do not wish to daub you up with untempered mortar, or to beget within you a false, delusive hope. There is no salvation for you unless you be a new creature in Christ; your soul must be regenerated by the Spirit of God; you must be born of God, or be lost forever. 0, may God be merciful to you; may he, who by his grace, changed and made a new man out of a persecuting Saul' change you, and make you meet for the inheritance of the saints in light. May God prepare all our hearts to receive the truth in the love of it." (From "The Primitive Preacher" and the section "A New Creature")

"Dear sinner, how do you feel? Is your heart so hard that love can not move it? Are your eyes so blind that you can not see the slippery place upon which you stand, with fiery billows beneath you? Can you hear the groans, see the sweat-like drops of blood, and hear the prayer of the sinner's Friend, and feel no love for him in your heart? Can you sit and witness the tears and prayers of these dear saints, and feel no tender emotions? If this be the case, what can I say, what can I do, to melt your hearts, and fill them with love for the blessed Savior, and cause you to seek an interest in his atoning blood? Nothing! I realize it in my inmost heart. My arm is too short and feeble to reach you, and deliver you from the bondage of sin and death. All the powers of men or angels can not save you. None but Jesus can save you, for there is salvation in none other. 0, may the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead enter your hearts, that they may be melted down in love, and drawn to Christ, for there is salvation in none other for lost, helpless sinners." (From "The Primitive Preacher" and the section "Living Faith")

"This Jesus is the subject before us today. He is the "man" spoken of in our text, through whom forgiveness of sins is preached to ruined, perishing sinners. How welcome this gospel of Christ should be to a perishing world! It proclaims a Savior for the lost, a Deliverer for the captive, and that through him sin is pardoned, and the sinner justified. It is worthy of all acceptation." ("Forgiveness of Sins")

"Dear brethren and sisters, did you ever hear such a sermon before? Can you ever forget the comfort felt in your heart when Jesus took your load of guilt away, and spoke your sins forgiven? You then felt that the days of mourning with you were past, and that you would never sorrow again. "My sins are forgiven; Jesus is mine, and what more can I want?" (Ibid)

"Dear friends, I fear that many of you are today in the dark prison of just condemnation, and know it not, feel no concern, but love the chains that bind you down. Your heart is not broken; you feel no pain on account of sin, but drink it down as water. My heart feels for you; Christians feel for you; but our arms are too short to reach you, and my voice is too feeble to move your hearts to feel, or open your eyes to see. But 0, dear, dying sinner, may the great Preacher, whose word is spirit and life, speak to thee, and arouse thy guilty fears, and may cords of love divine draw thee to the dear Savior; for there is salvation in no other. "Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins." (Ibid)

"Careless, thoughtless sinner, to you I wish to speak a few words; and what shall I say? You have sat quietly and listened to my imperfect description of what the blessed Savior suffered for poor sinners; you have heard of his tender compassion for his murderers, when he prayed, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do;" you have witnessed this day in his children the same loving, sympathizing spirit; you have heard their groans and prayers. Is all this to you as the chattering of a bird, or as music in the ears of the dumb adder? O how sad is thy condition! and how hard must be thy heart, when the dying groans, and the dying prayer of the Savior of sinners will not melt thee to tears! Can you sit unmoved, while you witness tears flowing from many eyes in this house? O that you could realize your true condition, and see the slippery place upon which you stand, and the fiery billows beneath you! Are your eyes so blinded by sin that you can not see, and your heart so hard that you can not feel? This, to me, and to these saints who are weeping and praying for you, is a sad thought. O that God may this day give you to see your condition, and feel the need of a Savior! Our arms are too short to reach you, we know; we feel it; and our words are too feeble to arouse your fears, or change the hard and stony heart." ("Abiding In Christ")

"Ungodly sinner, awful as the thought may be, and as much as you may try to put it out of your mind, or look at it as being far in the future, that day is coming when you will have to stand before your Judge; your condition will then be unalterable; you will remain eternally a wicked blasphemer, and the smoke of your torment will rise Up forever and ever. This awful truth is recorded in this book that is not to be sealed, but is to be read in all the churches, and proclaimed by all the faithful servants of our Lord, saying, "Woe to the wicked, it shall go ill with him; the reward of his hands shall be given him." There can be no mistake; for he says, "Behold, I come quickly: my reward is with me, to give every man as his works shall be." The thing is fixed; there will be no book of accounts to run over, and debts and credits to be canceled; the works of the wicked have been wicked works, and the reward shall be according to them. The justice of God will be fully vindicated in giving to the wicked according as his works shall be." ("SERMON ON REV, XXII, 17")

"There are many things spoken "by the Savior to his disciples, and written by the apostles in their epistles to the churches, that apply to Christians, and to Christians only. In explaining scriptures it is important that we should notice to whom the address is made, and apply the instructions and comforts to such characters or persons as the speaker or writer was addressing. To take the invitations, promises, and encouragements addressed to awakened sinners, mourning and seeking souls, and apply them indiscriminately to all men, is a perversion of the word, and giving the children's bread to dogs. But there are scriptures that have a universal application to all the sons and daughters of Adam, and we should labor to enforce their solemn truths upon the minds of all.

My text belongs to this class of Scripture, and teaches a great truth applicable to every man and woman belonging to the human family, be they great or small, rich or poor, learned or unlearned. If they are born of Christian parents, reared up under religious instruction, trained up in the Sabbath-school, and human skill exerted upon them to form the religious character, however good the character may be, and how ever much and closely the forms of religion may be observed, the truth of my text still stands in all its solemn force: "Ye must be born again." The man to whom the Savior addressed this language was a ruler among the Jews, and of the Pharisees, a religious sect among the Jews, who were very strict in their religion, and he, being a ruler among the Jews, was, doubtless, taught in all their religion. His religious training and character had not prepared him for the kingdom of God, hence Jesus said to him, "Ye must be born again." Who it is that must be born again. It looks like there could be no difference of opinion on this point, for Nicodemus was the man addressed, and evidently the man that must be born again." ("THE SECOND BIRTH")

Now let me look closer at some things these Elders have said.

Independent of the Spirit?

Hassell said (above):

"No language or labor of man, and no fact in creation or providence, independently of the Divine Spirit, has the slightest efficacy to take away the sinner’s heart of stone and give him a heart of flesh."

This is a "red herring." It is a veritable "straw man" argument. What believer in gospel means, at least among the Baptists, believes in the efficacy of the word alone? Oh yes, we know of the Campbellite who does so. Alexander Campbell could not stay with the Baptists and believe and preach his "word alone" view of "regeneration." But, Hassell and the Hardshells have learned how to misrepresent their brethren who continued to believe in the Old Baptist Confessions on "means," saying that they believe that "regeneration" was therefore "independent of the Divine Spirit"!


That is not what the Old Baptist Watson affirmed as being the ancient faith of the Baptists, however. He rather affirmed that both the word and Spirit were necessary in the work of regeneration and he was thus in agreement with the Old Confessions. His "ultraist" and "Antinomian" brethren, however, were NOT Old Baptists in their denial of the use of the word in regeneration and in their refusal to call upon all men to believe the gospel and come to Christ for salvation. Watson speaks of "the vital union of the word and the Spirit." That is not Hardshellism!

Hassell, Durand, and Beebe's errors:

"...extending the comforting spiritual addresses of the gospel to those declared in the Scriptures to be dead in trespasses and sins——Christ expressly forbids that pearls should be cast before swine (Matt. 7:6)."

"...they did not call upon all men, whether spiritually concerned or not, to repent and believe the gospel."

But, that is not true, as the citations that will be given from the first Particular Baptists, as Keach and Bunyan, will show. But, even in Watson's "Old Baptist Test," he and Elder R.W. Fain (who wrote the preface) taught otherwise. They said: "...an interest in a Saviour's blood is offered to all."


In the above citations, Watson said:

"The great error...is affecting both our pulpits and Churches; for instead of requiring this kind of preaching, and sustaining it as a Church, we fear some are opposed to it, and use their influence to suppress it"

He speaks too of the "grieved and vexed state" of his "Old Baptists," and how they have "deviated somewhat in this particular from the Apostolic mode of preaching? If so, let us correct our errors by the word of God. Who is willing to attempt it?"


If Watson could come back today and see how, far from correcting these errors, the Hardshells have fully embraced them!


Watson also said that "...a Scriptural history of it (preaching to the dead in sins) furnishes a practical example of this mode of preaching the gospel."

Amen! That is what I will be showing too in the next two chapters as I seek to complete my analysis of this important subject.

Watson made this remarkable statement (see above):

"...a gospel which does not in word address itself to all; is not the gospel which Christ ordained."


He hereby indicts his own brethren, especially today's generation of Hardshells! They who do not preach in this manner do not preach the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ! By Watson's own admission and criteria for judgment in this matter, modern Hardshells do not preach the gospel of Christ! By his judgment too the modern Hardshells FAIL THE TEST of who are the "Old" Baptists, who are the true "primitive" or "original" Baptists!

He spoke of these brothers, these "antinomian" and "ultraists" brethren, the Hardshells, in this manner (above):

"...the old brother whose head has got wrong, whose heart has grown cold..."

"Cold" how and in what way? Was it not in that they lost a passion for the souls of their fellow men, becoming callous in regard to them? Was it not that they were "cold" from not doing their duty and from not bearing their responsibility in this regard? If brother Fain and brother Watson were here today, I am sure they would be completely ashamed of those who proudly, yet falsely, claim to be the "Old" or "Primitive" Baptists! When he said, in 1866, "...they evinced so little concern about the unbrought “other sheep” which the Saviour said he must bring," he ought to see them now!

He called his description of the Hardshells as a "sketch of realities." Truly they are, for he lived and preached among them at least forty years. I preached among them for ten years. My ex father in law is still a leading pastor with them, as is my own father, so like Elder Watson, I too ought to know whereof I speak. Elder Watson called for "reform" in these ways, trying to bring his "anti-mission" Baptists back from the brink, from going further and further into an extreme themselves, a ill effect from all the fighting against a supposed extreme (mission methodology issues).

He said, "The manner of these reforms is now open for discussion." Well, what happened? Did they reform, since 1866, or did they get worse and worse?
He said, "By our doctrine we are encouraged to exhort sinners..." But, today's Hardshell "doctrine" does not allow it at all! They charge those with doing so as Arminian! So, Elders Watson, Fain, and Grigg Thompson, by today's Hardshell standards, were all Arminians!

Yet he mentions the "means of grace," and exhorts his Hardshell brethren, saying, "let us employ them." But, they have not heeded what their forefather admonished them to do! Again, they failed his "test"!

Even God Can't Use Means If He Wants To!

I have mentioned, in previous chapters, how the Hardshells, in the manner in which they "reason" about the new birth and means, MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE EVEN FOR GOD TO USE GOSPEL MEANS IN GIVING LIFE TO THE DEAD!

This is a point that Elder Throgmorton brought up in his debate with Hardshell apologist, Elder John R. Daily, in the early 1900's. I think Elder Throgmorton got it from Watson (he cited Watson in his debates with the Hardshells), probably from statements like this from Watson.

"The Antinomian will not regard any thing in the light of means, and in his doctrine will not allow even the Lord to employ them, had it been the will or the way of the Lord, He would have breathed upon the dry bones as well without the prophecying of the prophet as with it."

I have heard and read it so many times myself, in sermons and writings, how the Hardshells will say -- "Jesus must first regenerate them with his secret voice in regeneration before they can hear his words in gospel preaching." They are the ones who limit God, saying that he cannot use gospel preaching to raise the spiritually dead, even if he wants to!

"Such preaching has been a great injury to us as a denomination; it has quenched the spirit of exhortation among us, and the exhorter is afraid to call on sinners to repent, for fear of being called an Arminian. Parkerites and Antinomians call the things which have been so much neglected Arminianism, and they have thus, in a goodly degree, suppressed them." (Watson)

What a serious indictment of his brethren! Not only do they not preach the gospel themselves, they actually are guilty of "suppressing" such gospel preaching! Again, today's Hardshells FAIL his "test" of who is, and who is not, an "Old Baptist"! What say you of Dr. Watson, my modern Hardshell?

Grigg Thompson said (in the above citations)

"To take the invitations, promises, and encouragements addressed to awakened sinners, mourning and seeking souls, and apply them indiscriminately to all men, is a perversion of the word, and giving the children's bread to dogs. But there are scriptures that have a universal application to all the sons and daughters of Adam, and we should labor to enforce their solemn truths upon the minds of all."

One can sense the "spirit of the times" in which Hardshell founding father, Elder Grigg Thompson, lived when he wrote the above words. Yes, he was one of the few Hardshells, in the early to mid 1800's, who believed in preaching the gospel to sinners, and of pointing them to Christ for salvation, but you can tell that he, like Watson, a dear friend of his, in saying what he said above, similar words to those of Beebe, Hassell, and Durand, he was combating a perceived error on the part of some of the "missionary" Baptists, who they thought, erroneously, were taking the promises made to believers and applying them to unbelievers, and thus of "casting pearl before swine" and "giving that which is holy unto the dogs."

Did Watson, Fain, and Grigg Thompson then do this when they preached the gospel to "every creature"? By the words of Beebe, Hassell, Durand, and every neo-Hardshell, they will have to indict men like Fain, Watson and Grigg Thompson! What a terrible "tight spot" all this puts on today's "apologists" for Hardshell beliefs and history! No wonder they do not want to come forth and debate today!

It is interesting too that Elder Thompson, in the above citations, takes the same position as Andrew Fuller in affirming that the "gospel is worthy of all acceptation!"

In the next two chapters I will continue to deal with this important subject.

It must be noted, in closing this chapter, that Elder Hassell endorsed Elder Watson, claiming him to be one of their own. (Page 622 in "Hassell's History of the Church of God") He also recommends Watson's book, "The Old Baptist Test," on page 636. And I need not quote from Hassell about the high standing rank of Elder Grigg Thompson! But, it seems that Hassell could not endorse the type preaching of Watson and Grigg Thompson!

May 12, 2007

Chapter 41 -- Infant Regeneration

It is not my intention, in this chapter, to revisit the "argumentation" and "logic" that Hardshells put forth relative to the supposed "regeneration of infants," but will rather look at the issue from a Baptist historical standpoint.

I dealt much with the Hardshell's "logic" on this point in chapter 7 and showed how they reasoned and argued erroneously and unscripturally in supposing that such infants (and idiots) are beyond the reach of God's power to use "gospel means." Their favorite argument, on the supposed "regeneration" of John the Baptist, while in his mother's womb, I have shown to actually prove the opposite, that gospel means were used, miraculously, and that John the Baptist had understanding of the gospel while in his mother's womb, hence the reason why he "leaped for joy."

This was an important issue debated by Hardshell John R. Daily in his second debate with W.P. Throgmorton (Missionary Baptist) in August of 1912 (and from which debate I will be citing from in future chapters, along with other debates with Mission Baptists).

In this debate there was a discussion of what God could do or not do. I think it was successfully shown by Elder Throgmorton that the Hardshells were the ones who limited the power of God by arguing that it is impossible for God to use means in the quickening of sinners. It was not simply a case where God chose not to use means, the preaching of his own word, according to Daily, but that it had to be done this way, God himself not being able to use gospel means in quickening dead sinners.

This is a point I too have raised previously in this work of rebuttal against the Hardshells. I have shown, for instance, how the case of Ezekiel and the Valley of Dry Bones destroys this "logic."

The "vain reasonings" they put forth relative to this issue, and the "logical deductions" they make relative to the "inability" of infants and idiots, and similar reasonings they make relative to the "inability" of "dead sinners," have all been shown to be what they are, human speculations that are against the plain teachings of the word of God and the experiences of the Lord's people. Let the Hardshell try this "logic" on the "bones" in the resurrection performed through the preaching of Ezekiel! Did those "bones" have any "ability" to hear? No! But, the power to cause the dead bones to "hear" it, to do what it was not humanly possible to do, was not from Ezekiel, but from God. "With God all things are possible," and this includes quickening spiritually dead sinners by the preaching of his servants.

Brother Bob Ross too has shown how the Hardshells and other "refomed" and "Hybrid Calvinists" have imbibed the old Pelagian argument that a "command implies ability," and falsely reason that since the dead must be given life before they can act, so too sinners dead in sin must be regenerated before they can believe or repent. I have shown also how they falsely reason too on the inability of infants and idiots to understand the gospel or come to know Jesus Christ in the forgiveness of sins.

The issue of the regeneration of infants and idiots, and to some extent, those who die without having opportunity to hear the gospel, would make an exhaustive book in itself. Perhaps I can do that one day when this book is completed. But, I do want to look at the issue historically, primarily among the Baptists who signed the Old Baptist Confessions, the first, 1644, and the second, 1689 (or 1677).

That this issue of "infant regeneration" became a matter of heated debate during the 17th century is not denied, but what is denied is that this debate created en masse Hardshell Baptists or Hy-per-Calvinistic Baptists, for the first Particular Baptists, as we shall see, who signed the first Baptist confessions, did not give up believing in gospel means, and clearly did not see the "logic" in what the Hardshells now put forth on this question. Ironically, as we shall see, the ones who were arguing "Hardshellism" and "Hy-per Calvinism" were the Paedo-Baptists! Not, the Baptists!

I know the Hardshells will not want to acknowledge this fact of history, but they will have to quit calling themselves "Baptist" on this issue, and especially the name of "Primitive" or "Old Baptist"! The Hardshell forefathers and foremost debaters and apologists, like Elder Daily, have argued that these first Baptists, who signed the confessions, believed Hardshellism, and did not believe in gospel means! Yet, as we have already shown, to a great degree, the confessions are very clear in supporting gospel means in regeneration and the new birth, so how can they deny that they who wrote the confessions did not believe what they wrote? Yet, as the following exchange between Baptist leader and confession signer, John Spilsbury, and Thomas Bakewell (Presbyterian) will show, Sprilsbury shows what he meant by being saved by the means of the gospel.

I do not know why Throgmorton did not present evidence from the signers of the confessions, from their own private writings, to show what they meant by those statements, in the confessions, dealing with regeneration by means of the preached word of God. It certainly is proof against those Hardshells who assembled in Fulton, Kentucky, in the early 1900's, and who affirmed that these first Baptists, who signed the Confessions, did not believe in gospel means and further that the confessions themselves do not teach it. Yes, it is absurd. More honest Hardshells have come forward and acknowledged that this is all a lie, farcical, for the confessions clearly teach gospel means and the Fulton Convention only sought to make the confession say what it does not say by adding their "footnotes" and "explanations" to the confession!

Rather, as we shall also see, the ones who were arguing for regeneration without faith, without gospel knowledge and means, were the "baby sprinkling" Paedo-Baptists! It is another substantiation of the historical fact that the idea of "pre-faith regeneration" or "sub-conscious regeneration" started among the Paedo-Baptists and that the first Baptists, as John Spilsbury , argued against the Hardshellism and Hyper-Calvinism being put forth by Spilsbury's opponent, Bakewell.

In introducing this chapter I will cite the dialogue between Spilsbury and Bakewell on this topic, make and cite commentary upon it, and then address other relevent historical material relative to this most important topic of thought. Well has a writer said of this debate and its relevance to the heresy of Hardshellism.

"Please note that the majority of modern Baptists and many so-called Old Baptists hold the same theology, concepts and conclusions that Thomas Bakewell held. Bakewell was a Presbyterian. This means that the modern Baptists and many of the so-called Old Baptists, if they had lived during those days, would have sided with Bakewell against John Spilsbury. John Spilsbury was one of the most important Particular Baptist leaders and writers of that or any other era. Is it any wonder then that those who are in truth and reality the old Baptists are despised by the modern Baptists and many of the so-called Old Baptists? The sad part is that these rejectors of the old Baptist faith and order are calling themselves Baptists, and even Old Baptists." (emphasis mine - SMG)

This is a true statement and one that ought to be quite evident once one has read the following debate between Spilsbury and Bakewell.

"By Thomas Bakewell (against Spilsbury)"

This was the title of the "diatribe" that Bakewell, on behalf of the Presbyterians and other "baby sprinklers," made against the Baptist Confession and its stated belief that faith in Christ is necessary for regeneration, which is next to be given, together with Spilsbury's defense of the Baptist and means position.

Bakewell raised his attacks against the Baptist confession for limiting regeneration to the means of the gospel, and he sounds like a Hardshell apologist ex tra ordinaire.

Bakewell's Attack

"In their next article (the articles of faith & Confession of Spilsbury and the Particular Baptists) they believe that all who know God and Christ shall have eternal life, but vengeance shall be rendered on all that know not God and Christ: but here I doubt they exclude all infants that die in their infancy from salvation, because they are not capable of such knowledge of God and Christ. You (Spilsbury) answer saying you know not what is this knowledge, neither hath the Scripture revealed any such that were saved. But was not Jereboam's child saved, when the Lord Himself saith that there was some good thing in him towards the Lord God of Israel, I Kings 14:15? And did David rejoice that his child was damned, and did he desire to go to hell to his child and rejoice in believing it, 2 Sam. 12:23? And why should not infants that die be saved, when as they may be sanctified, which is eternal life began already? And they may be sanctified as well as Jeremiah and John the Baptist, Jer. 1:5; Luke 1:15. Then, are you a teacher and know not these things?"

"But you say you will not judge them, when as you make it an article of your faith to believe that none shall be saved without this knowledge of God in Christ, which infants are not capable of; yet they may have the seeds of grace in them wrought by the Spirit of God; neither can this be denied, when as they are sanctified by the Spirit of God. Again if I should believe this article, I fear I should condemn many of God's people, which have the faith of adherence, but not the faith of evidence: for many that live a holy life, may want a clear evidence that God is reconciled to them in Christ, therefore I dare not give my faith to believe this article."

"...but is not the Word of God a necessary Instrument in the hand of Christ, whereby He works faith in us, Romans 10:17? By which we believe in Christ: then is not the Word of God necessary to save where it is, although God is able to work faith in His elect without it in places where it is not, but this being the ordinary way for our salvation, and while this lasts, we must not seek any extraordinary way..."

(http://elbourne.org/baptist/ofbl_docs/Spilsbury-Bakewell%20Debate.doc)

What Bakewell attacked, in the Old Baptist Confession, was the very thing that modern so-called Primitive Baptists attack today. What Spilsbury defended, the necessity of gospel faith and repentance for regeneration, is the thing Hardshells decry as the worst of heresies! Who then is the real "Primitive" or "Old" Baptist?


Spilbury says further, in his and the Confession's defense:

"Objection: And if any shall object from the testimony of John the Baptist, that he is said to be filled with the Holy Ghost from his Mother's womb, & c, and hence conclude, that Infants may have faith" (this is exactly what Hardshells argue today! And they would be arguing against the Baptist who probably wrote the Confession) "The Answer -- What Infants May Have and What They Do Have is Different

To this I answer in a word;

First, what infants may have is one thing, and what infants can be proved to have from this Scripture is another. For if any thing from this text can be proved for infants, it will be, that they are filled with the Holy Ghost from their Mother's womb, as John is said to be, which is another thing than to believe, Acts 6:5; & 4:31.

Secondly, all such so testified of by God, as He did of John, I shall acknowledge as much as is here meant to be in him, to be also in them so testified of by the Holy Ghost. But to affirm, because God so testified of John the Baptist in the womb, therefore the same holds true upon all other infants likewise, this is indeed weaker than infancy so to affirm, and grosser than ignorance for any to believe. Job is said to be a Guide to the distressed from his mother's womb. Shall it be concluded thence, that he was a Guide to such when he was an infant? Or if he were so, must it needs follow, that all infants are capable guides, because it is said so of him? Job 31:18.

And lastly; I am not against any that have faith, but absolutely for all that believe; whether infants or others; so that their faith appears by such effects as the Word of God approves of. Otherwise what have I or any to do, to meddle with the secret and unrevealed things of God, either to justify or condemn? And whereas in the former Proposition, there seems a restraint made of the word of Grace in an Infant over what there is in other persons, by saying, only so far as is necessary to union with Christ, and justification to life thereby."


Again, there is no way that the so-called Primitive or Hardshell Baptists can legitimately or honestly claim that Spilsbury and the first truly "Old Baptists" believed as they do relative to John the Baptist and the supposed regeneration of infants.

And then in commenting upon what it means to have "union with Christ," Spilsbury wrote:

"What is Understood by Christ and then Our Union with Christ?

Now for an answer to this, we shall first consider what in this sense is to be understood by Christ, and secondly, what by union with Christ, so as to be justified thereby.

By Christ here, I understand Him so, as the Gospel holds Him forth in the work of man's Redemption, in reference to His death and resurrection; and the only righteousness that commends such to God as believe in the same. And so Christ thus considered is the only subject of life to every soul that shall be united unto Him by faith.

To which union with Christ, these three things must be minded, as essential to the same:

First, God's revealing and tending of Christ, as the all sufficient and only way to life.

Secondly, a heart fitly disposed by faith to apprehend and receive Christ so tendered.

And lastly, The Spirit of grace uniting and knitting of the heart and Christ together, as aforesaid.

And this I understand to be that effectual and substantial union with Christ, to justification of life, which the Word of God approves of; that must decide all differences in matters of Religion. For justification to life ever presupposes apprehension of Christ, as the subject of life, and a true application of the same by faith, as aforesaid. The Gospel holds forth no other justification to salvation, but what is of faith; and faith ever presupposes the party's knowledge of the thing believe, Rom. 10:14, Heb. 11:6.

Now, let this be well examined by the rule of truth, and then let the Reader judge, how capable Infants are of union with Christ, and justification to life thereby. Now for to darken and obscure this truth, there are these evil consequences, as absurdities brought in, as to follow upon the same."


Any honest reader cannot possibly misunderstand what Spilsbury writes. The only way to receive Christ is to receive him by means of the gospel invitation and command. This is a denial of Hardshellism and Hyper Calvinism, respecting regeneration and the new birth.

To Spilsbury and the London Baptist churches of his day, the faith that receives Christ and that regenerates is the faith that is produced by the preaching of the gospel. He even cites Romans chapter ten in support.

And then again, he writes:

"Objection, First, If infants should not be capable of those graces aforesaid, then they were not elected.

Secondly, Then their bodies should not be raised again to life.

And lastly, we have not infallible judgment, but may be mistaken, as in the case of Simon Magus, &c.

The Answer

To this in a Word:

First, I would know of such, whether Infants, with reference to their non-age, are capable subjects of glory?

Secondly, If Infants so considered, are capable subjects of glory?

Election to means as well as to end

And if not, as I suppose none will affirm, then why any more in grace than in Glory? And for any to appoint God a way how to save Infants, or to draw out to themselves a way how the Holy Spirit of Grace must sanctify them to salvation, above what is written, I think it is somewhat too much boldness. God will have His creature to keep only to His Word, as the Rule by which man must judge all things; and the Word of God shows that he has elected persons to the means as well as to the end, being the way unto the same. And that was the Adoption of Sons, to be called and justified by believing in Jesus Christ, as Eph. 1:4,5; Rom. 8:29, 30; I Pet. 1:2; 2 Thess. 2:13, 14. And therefore the ground of God's calling us, and our believing is attributed unto our Election, Acts 2:47; Acts 13:48; Rom. 8:28; Rom. 11:7. And to the glory of God, as the cause of all, by the dispensation of His grace upon His chosen in Christ, and their free obedience unto Him again, Rom. 9:23, 24; Eph. 1:6, 12.

These things God has revealed in His Word, and further, I dare not go, but leave the secret things to God, Who gives not account of all His ways."


That is about as good a denial of Hardshellism one could possibly read! And, just who was Spilsbury opposing? It was Bakewell, one who did not believe faith in Christ, and repentance, were necessary adjuncts to regeneration! The Hardshells ought to "trace their lineage" through Bakewell and the baby sprinkling religionists than to the Baptists of England.

Spilsbury, continuing his defense of regeneration through faith in Christ Jesus, as expressed in the recent Baptist confession, responded to the idea of no resurrection for infants.

"The Salvation and Resurrection of Infants

And for the raising of Infant's bodies, do none rise but such as are in visible union with Christ? As for invisible things we meddle not with. It is the power of God that raised the dead, and not union with Christ, I Thess. 4:16. And when any of God's elect can, by the Scripture, be showed to die in infancy, then it will be granted that their bodies are raised to life eternal, only as they are Infants. Not that I hold all that die in their infancy to be damned, but being a secret thing, I leave the same to God. And though that we have not infallible knowledge to judge aright of the hearts of men, which thing is proper to God alone, shall we not judge at all therefore? We are to go on as near as we can by the a rule of God's Word. And in so doing, we discharge our duty, which binds us to judge of the tree by His fruit. And though we are not infallible Judges, but may be mistaken, yet this will not follow, that we should justify a tree upon which no fruit appears, but rather to go on by the rule of judgment, and if we do miss, to be humbled for our weakness rather then leave all undone, because we are not sure to do it infallibly. But I would not be understood to oppose Infants so, as to exclude them from salvation, no, I am so far from this, that I do not so much as impose any such work of grace upon them, as essential to life, in this or that way, as many do, but leave all in respect of them, as a secret thing to the wisdom and grace of God in Christ, by whom the sin of all the Elect are forever done away at once.

And for faith, that I press for in all that challenge right to any privilege of Grace, is only to have some warrantable ground to judge by, and so to know Who God does approve of; as those unto whom such privileges belong. Seeing He has proclaimed, that all by nature are children of wrath, Eph. 2. And I cannot believe that any are naturally born in grace, and so believers from the womb, though the opposite doctrine teaches and affirms the same. And, so I come to another Proposition, laid down thus:

Not that I intend in the least to deny salvation unto infants, no, I am so far from this, that I testify against all such doctrine, nor yet affirm all infants to be saved, neither do I know among infants, which shall be saved, and which shall not be saved, therefore I leave it as a secret thing to God, until He makes the same appear by some visible effect of faith, which only gives a visible right unto any ordinance of the New Testament. And therefore I cannot see by the Gospel, how infants void of visible faith, should have visible right unto the privileges of grace, neither ought they to be admitted thereunto, as has been approved, and also for these, and the like reasons following.

I would not be understood that I oppose Infants in respect of either their person or age, or salvation itself, between God and then invisibly, but honor them with all natural respects, desiring their safety and well being here, and glory hereafter. But as the same appears by some effect of faith, until which time, as I condemn none, no more dare I justify any, but leave them all to the good pleasure of God, that only knows who are His. And which shall unavoidably come to glory, as Ephesians 1 and Rom. 8:30 shows. But whose those be, that I do not know until God reveals the same by some effect of his grace appearing in them. And all that I intend by opposing Infant's baptism, is only to forbear and wait upon God in the use of means, until faith appears to meet with God in His holy Ordinance, without which the same is void and of no effect; but profaned, God provoked, and the party endangered. Friend how came you in here, not having a wedding garment, take him, & c. Matt. 22:12, 13.


All this of course runs counter to what those who pretend to be in league with the first visible Baptist Churches in England (the Hardshells), after the Reformation, who wrote the confessions, when in fact they repudiate what they believed and wrote on regeneration and gospel means."

Again, I think every Hardshell living today ought to read these words of Spilsbury; and not him only, but the other writings of the writers of the first Baptist Confessions of the 1600's, and see that they have been given misinformation about the history of their denomination, and see that many of their leading writers, on their history, and of the Particular Baptists, have twisted and distorted the facts of history in claiming that these first Baptists did not, in any sense, believe the elect were regenerated and come to faith apart from the means of the gospel.


Well, has a writer said about John Spilsbury and his views in this matter:

“...he argued, however, that the spirituality of the new covenant in Christ eliminated the possibility of an infant's participation in it. The issue of the salvation of infants dying in infancy he treated as an area of mystery.”

"The denial that there were elect and none elect infants who died in infancy. The old Baptists simply affirmed that the salvation of infants was one of the secret things of God. They didn't affirm their salvation or their damnation. See this presented in John Spilsbury's Baptism, in both the 1643 and 1652 editions."

(http://victorian.fortunecity.com/dadd/464/confession.html)

Spilsbury wrote this, being the fifth point in his little confession of faith.

"5. I believe that God of his grace, in his own time, effectually calls such as shall be saved to the knowledge of the truth, who is said, of his own will to beget us by the word of truth: in which work of grace, nature is as passive, as a child in the parents begetting of it; and so God by His Spirit works faith in the hearts of all such to believe in Christ, and his righteousness, only for justification."

John Spilsbury, A Treatise Concerning the Lawfull subject of Baptisme, (London: Printed and are to be sold by Henry Hills in Fleet-Yardover against the Prison, 1652) [p.?] The text used for this article was taken from a version on the internet produced by The Old Faith Baptist Church Rt. 1, Box 517 Magazine, Arkansas, 72943, copyright, 1993. np

(http://www.founders.org/FJ44/article2.html)

For Spilsbury, the very essence of regeneration was the change from unbelief to belief, from impenitence to penitence, and not something that preceded it.

In concluding this chapter I think it is good to include these citations relative to this issue of "infant regeneration." I think Edwards argues in much the same vein as did Spilsbury, doubting that infants could possibly be subjects of grace and glory, due to their ignorance of their sins, among other things.

Infant Baptism-Regeneration of Some Elect

"John Stagg, writing about Calvin, Twisse and Edwards on infant regeneration, claims that all these great Reformed theologians taught the doctrine of infant regeneration. It is probably true that all Reformed theologians teach that some children are regenerated in infancy, with or without baptism—indeed, before or after baptism."

"While Edwards does not deny the possibility of infant regeneration, he argues in M 816 that few are converted in infancy. The reasons he gives are two. First, such children, as they grew, would not know from experience what their sinful nature alone (apart from the regenerate nature) was. This would not be good for them if, for example, they became ministers. (like many Hardshell preachers, by their own confession!) They would not be able to understand the experience through which some of their parishioners were going. Second, persons regenerated in infancy would never be sensible of the divine deliverance from their wicked condition. We know from Scripture that God wants conversion to be a very sensible, deeply-felt experience. God's usual practice is to conclude all under a felt unbelief that He might have mercy on all. Nevertheless, Edwards realizes that it may be different in the approaching "glorious times." About that time he simply says, "I can't tell."

Edwards directly approaches the question about baptismal regeneration of infants in terms of three questions. First, he asks whether all who are admitted to baptism are regenerate? No, he replies, because the Apostles baptized many adults who were not regenerate. For example, Philip baptized Simon Magus. Therefore not everyone who is properly baptized is regenerate, even among adults. The second question is whether all children of godly persons when baptized are regenerated? The answer again is no. For this Edwards simply appeals to experience and strangely enough cites no text of Scripture.

The third question is whether all children of the godly who die in infancy are regenerate? To this he gives a very odd and unclear response. He states that if children of godly parents dying in infancy were regenerate the parents could have no better ground for hope for all their praying and desiring. His next observation is a little clearer, though no less dubious. If these parents saw their child dying they would know that they should pray for his salvation. Edwards seems to be suggesting here that if the parents knew that the child dying in infancy was elect, they could not therefore pray as they know they should pray for his salvation. Is the implied argument that if parents are to pray for dying children, then they dare not assume that the children are elect? He seems to be suggesting that if this doctrine, that all children dying in infancy are elect, were true, then parents would not be justified in their usual and necessary filial concern. It is very rare that one is uncertain about Edward's meaning, but this is one of those instances. He will not deny infant regeneration, but he seems rather reluctant to grant it even in the case of children of godly parents dying in infancy. Or rather we should say he grants the possibility of it, but is apparently unwilling to affirm the proposition that all children dying in infancy are elect, or that all children of godly parents dying in infancy are elect."


(http://www.apuritansmind.com/Baptism/EdwardsJonathanInfantBaptismGerstner.htm)

I think too that I should include these words of John Gill.

"This is to be understood of outward hearing of the word, and of adult persons only; for that, infants may have the grace of regeneration, and so faith wrought in them by the Spirit of God, without hearing the word, is not to be denied; since as they are capable of the principles of corruption, why not of grace? and also of such persons as have the right and free exercise of the faculties of hearing and speaking, and not of such who never could hear, and speak; for as the Spirit works where, and how he pleases, so he can work faith in the hearts of such persons who never heard the word, and enable them to exercise it on the proper object, and cause them secretly to call upon the name of the Lord, with groans which cannot be uttered. Moreover, this is to be, understood of the ordinary way and means of believing; for though God can, and sometimes does work by other means, and even without any, yet his usual way and method is, to bring men to faith and repentance by the hearing of the word..." (Commentary Romans 10)

But, notice how even Gill has departed from the views of the first Baptists of the Confessions, from Spilsbury. Spilsbury wants to know if those who die in infancy and yet who go to heaven are capable subjects of glory? If they are, then they would be capable subjects of regeneration. If not, they would not be capable of regeneration. Gill asks if they can be degenerated and then reasons that if they can experience degeneration, why not regeneration?


Now, to summarize, we note Spilsbury's Position:

"(1) Baptists didn't deny infant salvation, simply left unrevealed concepts alone;

(2) Spilsbury stated that none would be saved without a knowledge of God and Christ.

B. Bakewell's Position:

(1) Infants are a case of those saved who have no knowledge of God or Jesus Christ.

(2) Bakewell affirmed 2 types of saved people:

a. Those with the faith of ADHERENCE, they live a godly life but lack clear evidence that God is reconciled to them in Christ; p. 2

b. Those who have the faith of EVIDENCE, p. 2.


(http://elbourne.org/baptist/ofbl_docs/Spilsbury-Bakewell%20Debate.doc)

Again, Hardshells must line up with Bakewell, not Spilsbury.

Said one writer:


"John Spilsbery...did not affirm infant damnation. His position on the infant's state is clear and represents the early Baptist position. The ridiculous insertion of elect infants as found the Second London Confession was totally unknown to the arguments and faith of John Spilsbery and those who follows him as he followed the Apostle Paul who followed Jesus Christ.

And to affirm this to be God's way to bring persons to the faith, by working so upon them by His Spirit in their infancy, argues some ignorance of the true nature and work of grace, as the Gospel holds it forth.
"

I can certainly say "amen" to that.

May 11, 2007

Mohler On The Supper

Recently I have been having a difficulty alligning myself with those Baptist churches that discriminate against all Christian social drinkers and who have gone to such an extreme on abstinance that they do not use fermented wine in the Lord's Supper, although it was fine with Christ and the early church, and fine with our Baptist forefathers. I have often said that men are prone to go to an extreme themselves when they are opposing an extreme. I recently posted some information on Baptist "Church Covenants" and the "abstinance clause," making the comment that these churches violate Paul's injunctive, "Let no one judge you in regard to food or drink." (Col. 2: 16) I also plan to post more notes on this topic. What is a little ironic is that I was listening, this past Wednesday, to the Al Mohler daily radio program when the question of using fermented wine and unleavened bread came up for Dr. Mohler to address. Here is the transcript.


“We have another question that came in, and its another one of these interesting questions, that you know has to come out of some very fascinating conversation in terms of the local church. Here’s the question.”

“We have a Christian friend who has been attending our church for many years. He will not partake of communion as he believes the elements should be what Jesus used – wine and unleavened bread. He believes that unleavened bread symbolizes purity and that wine was used by the church until prohibition. What should our response be to him or is he more correct than we are?”

"I guess the next question would be, if we change the original elements why could we not change it to other items as pizza and coke?"

Raymond asked that question.

"Raymond, let me tell you about that last point, you haven’t come up with something that college students or someone else hasn’t tried before. Back in the 1970's, back during the Jesus People Movement, they were calling communion just about anything, with whatever elements they had at hand. The point, I think, of obedience to Christ, in the Supper, is to do what Jesus commanded us to do, and he gave us two elements. The elements were wine and bread. Now, when the New Testament uses the word “wine” (oinos), it refers to just what you’re thinking of as “wine.” But, it was not a highly fermented grape beverage and we know that from first century sources and we know that from the practice of the time. But, it was grape juice. I see nothing wrong whatsoever with using grape juice, either fermented or not, in terms of the Lord’s Supper, in terms of obedience to the command of Christ. The fermentation can’t be the issue.

The issue of bread. Did Jesus use unleavened bread? Well we know, in all likelihood, that he must have. Because, after all, during the Passover that is what the Jews would have used. But that does not appear to be the central point in terms of the bread. He refers to it as bread and wine and so do we when we celebrate the Lord’s Supper even if its leavened bread and grape juice. I don’t see that as a problem."


Al Mohler Radio Program Wed. May 9th, 2007

I could not believe that a man of the caliber of Dr. Mohler could take such a position. Shocking! As you can see, he did not really answer the man's question. All he gave us was expressions as it "does not appear to be the central point," and "I don't see that as a problem," and "I see nothing wrong whatsoever with using grape juice."

Yes, he could condemn the "Jesus People" for using pizza or any other "elements at hand," for a Communion Service, because the elements were not simply bread or grape juice, but he sees no problem with the bread being "leavened" or the wine being "unfermented."

Has Dr. Mohler forgotten these passages?


"Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth." (I Cor. 5: 7,8)

"The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread." (I Cor. 10: 16,17)

The church, being the "body of Christ," is typified, as is his physical body, in the "one loaf of bread." That "one loaf" is "UNLEAVENED"! Leaven is sin and corruption, in the Scriptures, as Dr. Mohler ought to know.


"When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."
(I Cor. 11: 20-34)

How a man can read this, admit that the wine here was fermented, admit here that the bread was unleavened, and then say, "well, I really don't think it is important to use exactly the same elements as Christ," is beyond me to understand, especially from someone like Dr. Mohler.

When we use leavened bread, we are affirming that the body of Christ, both his physical body and his mystical body (the church) are impure and corrupt! That loaf is a pure loaf! Dr. Mohler thinks it not important to have pure bread?

We also use unleavened wine, wine that is fully fermented, made pure, for how else could it be symbolic of Christ's blood, the life of the church, and literally be the "pure blood of the grape"?

Again, I will have more to say on this, in upcoming blogs, and I do plan to send a copy of this blog to Dr. Mohler together with others I plan to write on this issue.

Apr 30, 2007

On Baptist "Church Covenants"

The following are my thoughts exactly.

The following is written by Baptist Pastor, John Piper, a leading voice among Southern Baptists, especially those who identify with its historic Calvinism. I agree with Piper (desiringgod.com). These are some excerpts from his dealing with this issue of "Church Covenants" requiring the agreement about abstinance from alcoholic beverages.

More to come, the Lord willing.



"This coming Thursday evening, at the second half of our annual business meeting, we will be voting on the proposed amendment to the Church Covenant. I want to try to clarify this morning what is at stake in this decision and to apply the Word of God to our present situation.

From 1871 to 1946 Bethlehem had no church Constitution or Covenant. From 1945 to 1965 Bethlehem lived under a Covenant identical to the one we have today except that for those 20 years there was no clause about abstaining from alcoholic beverages. In 1965, the church amended the Covenant to add the sentence, "We engage …… to abstain from the sale and use of intoxicating liquors as a beverage." The Constitutional effect of this amendment in 1965 was to make total abstinence from the use and sale of alcoholic beverages a prerequisite for church membership.

The amendment before the church this Thursday is to replace the sentence about total abstinence from alcohol with a such broader commitment that would require a good deal of heart searching and Biblical self-examination. It would read as follows:

"We engage …… to seek God's help in abstaining from all drugs, food, drink and practices which bring unwarranted harm to the body or jeopardize our own or another's faith."

I wish I could help everyone see that the reason I support this amendment so strongly is not to encourage, but to avoid a great evil. Alcohol abuse is a great evil in our land. And no one can reasonably construe the proposed amendment to countenance such abuse. Not only that, I regard total abstinence generally as a wise and preferable way to live in our land today. It's the way I live, and the way I will teach my sons to live. The proposed amendment is not designed to encourage anyone to drink alcoholic beverages. It is designed to drive us to Biblical, spiritual self-examination in view of the stupendous fact that we are God's dwelling and are called to love one another and to build up faith wherever we can. The requirement of total abstinence, on the other hand, is heeded by millions of unbelievers and unspiritual church attenders. It is a regulation that requires no inner love to God or love to the church. The proposed amendment, however, drives us to God because it makes us ask, why abstain. It makes us face the deep issue of whether we are following a tradition or whether we love with all our heart the holiness of God and the spiritual welfare of our fellowmen.

But the main reason the proposed amendment will help us avoid evil and the chief reason I support the amendment is that it helps guard us from an unbiblical legalism and exclusivism.

The second meaning of legalism is this:

the erecting of specific requirements of conduct beyond the teaching of Scripture and making adherence to them the means by which a person is qualified for full participation in the local family of God, the church.

This in where unbiblical exclusivism arises. There is no getting around the fact that the church does not include everyone. We do exclude people from membership because we believe worship should imply commitment to the Lordship of Christ the Head of the church. But exclusion of people from the church should never be taken lightly. It is a very serious matter. Schools and clubs and societies can set up any human regulations they wish in order to keep certain people out and preserve by rule a particular atmosphere. But the church is not man's institution. It belongs to Christ. He is the Head of the Body, and he alone should set the entrance requirements. That is very important!

As the Church Covenant presently stands we are compelled in principle to say (and I am concerned precisely with the principle):

"Brother (or sister), even though you trust Jesus Christ as your Savior and aim with all your heart to live under his Lordship and have been duly baptized according to his ordinance and give hearty assent to our affirmation of faith, nevertheless, you can't be a full participant in the family of God here because your use of wine doesn't square with ours."

I am persuaded in my mind and in my heart that such a regulation falls into the category of legalism and falls under the judgment of the apostolic word in Scripture. I'll try to show why in a moment.

I know beyond the shadow of a doubt: God hates legalism as much an he hates alcoholism. If any of you still wonders why I go on supporting this amendment, after hearing all the tragic stories about lives ruined through alcohol, the reason is that when I go home at night and close my eyes and let eternity rise in my mind I see ten million more people in hell because of legalism than because of alcoholism.

Listen as I uncover one of his plots. Legalism is a more dangerous disease than alcoholism because it doesn't look like one. Alcoholism makes men fail; legalism helps them succeed in the world. Alcoholism makes men depend on the bottle; legalism makes them self-sufficient, depending on no one. Alcoholism destroys moral resolve; legalism gives it strength. Alcoholics don't feel welcome in church; legalists love to hear their morality extolled in church. Therefore, what we need in this church is not front end regulations to try to keep ourselves pure. We need to preach and pray and believe that

"Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision, neither teetotalism nor social drinking, neither legalism nor alcoholism is of any avail with God, but only a new creation (a new heart)" (Gal. 6:15; 5:6).

The enemy is sending against us every day the Sherman tank of the flesh with its cannons of self-reliance and self-sufficiency. If we try to defend ourselves or our church with peashooter regulations we will be defeated even in our apparent success. The only defense is to "be rooted and built up in Christ and established in faith" (Col. 2:6); "Strengthened with all power according to his glorious might for all endurance and patience with joy" (Col. 1:11); "holding fast to the Head from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together …… grows with a growth that is from God" (Col. 2:19). From God! From God! And not from ourselves.

In verses 16-23 Paul draws out some implications. I'll try to sum up what he says in five observations.

First, "Let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink." The consumption of food and drink is in itself no basis for judging a person's standing with God or standing in God's family. To be sure Paul had to deal with the abuse of food and drink; the problem of eating meat offered to idols and the problem of drunkenness (1 Cor. 8, 11:21; Rom. 14). But his approach to these abuses was never to forbid food or drink. It was always to forbid what destroyed God's temple and injured faith. He taught the principle of love, but did not determine its application with regulations in matters of food and drink. This is also the aim of the proposed amendment to the Church Covenant.

The only hope for spiritual growth and health in the body of Christ (Bethlehem Baptist Church) is personal cleaving to Christ the Head, not exclusivist regulations.

Fourth, verses 20 and 21, "If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the universe, why do you live as if you still belonged to the world? Why do you submit to regulations, 'Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch' (referring to things that all perish as they are used) according to human precepts and doctrines?"

The implication of these verses is that a church which erects regulations about food and drink as a means of judging or disqualifying, does not yet know what it means to die with Christ and be freed from the powers of the world.

The entrance requirement of total abstinence at our church may secure for us a membership with one common attitude towards alcohol, but it is no help in making us a pure people who do not live according to the flesh (Rom. 8:13). On the contrary, by imposing a restriction which the N.T. never imposes this entrance requirement in principle involves us in a legalism that has its roots in unbelief. It is a sign of the faded power and joy and heart righteousness that once was Bethlehem, and, God helping us, will be again.

I think the best way I can summarize what I have tried to say is to read a letter from my Father dated November 10, 1981. With this I close.

"…… Your previous letter had raised the question of alcoholic beverages in relation to church membership. This is a real toughy. Most of the churches in which I minister have it directly in their constitutions and by-laws that no member will buy, sell or use such beverages.

I think my attitude and thought is this: The church should take a strong stand against such an evil and such an enormous destructive force, but should not include this or any such evil in its by-laws. My reason for this is first, that you cannot legislate righteousness or make people more holy by having laws, one any more than another. For example, what about living as man and wife without benefit of marriage and what about homosexual practices, or for that matter what about smoking or gambling.

Understand me, as I am sure you do, I am definitely for living a separated life. And, I think as ministers we are responsible to expose all such evils and let the church know what is wicked and wrong in this world. But I faced and saw the weakness of legislated righteousness years ago. I cut my eye teeth on preaching against THE BIG FIVE -- dancing, drinking, smoking, gambling, and theater going. I heard messages against these things by the dozen. I heard very little about gossip, covetousness, a hateful spirit, etc. I observed that people who adopted this separated life often become pharisaic and proud of their separation, and I heard very few sermons against such pride. For example, one preacher I knew observed that while some women thought separation meant wearing long hair, they often had tongues as long as their hair!

So, while the problem is surely not a simple one, I think if I had a church and wrote my own constitution, I would word it positively, perhaps saying, 'It is expected that all members will abstain from habits and life styles that fail to honor Christ and will seek to perfect holiness in the fear of God doing everything in word and deed to His honor and glory.' Something like that, anyhow. And then leave it to the Holy Spirit through the preaching of the word to effect the right results……"


John Piper

http://www.soundofgrace.com/piper82/011782m.htm

Emphasis all mine -- SG

Apr 29, 2007

Defining Hyper-Calvinism

I agree with brother Phil Johnson who defined the term "hyper-Calvinist" in the same way as I have previously in this book.

He wrote:

"A hyper-Calvinist is someone who either:

1. Denies that the gospel call applies to all who hear, OR
2. Denies that faith is the duty of every sinner, OR
3. Denies that the gospel makes any "offer" of Christ, salvation, or mercy to the non-elect (or denies that the offer of divine mercy is free and universal), OR
4. Denies that there is such a thing as "common grace," OR
5. Denies that God has any sort of love for the non-elect."

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/hypercal.htm

Apr 18, 2007

A Personal Prophecy on Iraq

My Personal Prophecy about Iraq

United States will pull out in near future. Civil war will ensue between Sunnis and Shia Muslims. This will go on until UN steps in and imposes a "solution."

The imposed "solution"

1. Split the country into three "zones" (not "countries," at least yet) as a step towards either reunification or the creation of three separate states or countries, with Kurds in the north, Sunnis in the middle, and Shiites in the south.

2. Create a UN centralized zone around Baghdad and make it an international city (much like Jerusalem).

3. Have the oil revenues and industry under UN supervision with duty of distributing oil profits to the three states.

4. Pour international money into the UN Zone and Bagdad, making it truly the Babylon of Bible prophecy.

Feb 1, 2007

Chapter 40 -- Biblical Regeneration

Chapter 40 -- Biblical Regeneration

I introduce this chapter with these insightful words of the great "Campbellite" and "Hardshell" killer, H. Boyce Taylor.

"Both Campbellites and Hardshells are heretical on the new birth; and since men cannot be saved without the new birth neither Campbellism nor Hardshellism, in their unadultered form, ever saved any sinner. Men are not saved by the Spirit without the Word nor by the Word without the Spirit. They must be born of the Word and the Spirit, if they would enter the kingdom of God. Hardshellism has no place for any such Scriptures because it denies that the Word has anything to do in the salvation of the lost."

(http://www.bryanstation.com/9taylor-biblebriefs.htm)

What is the correct view of "regeneration" and the "new birth? What is the nature and characteristics of the "change" effected in a person by the Spirit of God? Neither Hardshells nor Campbellites can answer this question scripturally. Our Baptist forefathers, however, who wrote our confessions of faith, gave scriptural answers to these questions. I plan to take up those confessions, in future chapters, and look at what the Hardshells have had to say about those confessions.

I have also completely overthrown the Hardshell view of "regeneration" which makes it a "bunch of nothing," a "no change" experience, a "Hollow Log" phenomena. I have shown how their "dividing asunder" "regeneration" from "conversion," things which God has "joined together," has been a "slippery slope" that has led to numerous other errors in doctrine. In separating "repentance" and "faith" from "regeneration," they have again attempted to "put asunder" what God has "joined together."

I have also shown how they are against the teachings of both Scripture and Baptist history in their denial of the use of means, the means of gospel truth, to effect the regeneration of a soul. I have taken many of their "arguments" and shown them to be false, examples of faulty Hardshell "logic." I have shown how the Scriptures clearly establish that regeneration includes conversion and that it is that which is brought about by the Spirit's use of the truth of the gospel. I will in upcoming chapters look at "Hardshell Proof Texts," and show how they must twist scripture, or read into them (eisogesus), their heresies.

I will also be having more to say about the "Twins," the Hardshells and the Campbellites, looking critically at their similarities and differences.

I believe that the following words by J.M. Pendleton are appropriate to cite at this juncture. He writes under the heading, "Regeneration, With Its Attendants, Repentance And Faith," saying:

"It is evident that the Scriptures refer to a great change in all who become Christians--a change denoted by such forms of expression as the following: "Born again," (John 3:3); "Born of the Spirit" (John 3:5); "Born of God" (John 1:13); "Created in Christ Jesus" (Eph. 2:10); "Quickened together with Christ" (Eph. 2:5); "A new creature" (2 Cor. 5:17); "Renewed after the image of him that created him" (Col. 3:10); "Dead unto sin,...alive unto God." Rom. 6:11. This change is, in theological writings, usually called Regeneration, and it is inseparable from "repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." Acts 20:21. For this reason the heading of this chapter has been selected, and I purposely present in closest connection Regeneration, Repentance, and Faith. Nor is it my intention to dwell on what has been termed "the order of time." Indeed, if the view of Calvin and Jonathan Edwards is correct, regeneration and repentance are in substance the same so that the question as to order of time is ruled out. Calvin says:

"In one word, I apprehend repentance to be regeneration, the end of which is the restoration of the divine image within us; which was defaced, and almost obliterated by the transgression of Adam."

The words of Edwards are these:

"If we compare one scripture with another, it will be sufficiently manifest that by regeneration, or being BEGOTTEN or BORN AGAIN, the same change in the state of the mind is signified with that which the Scripture speaks of as efffected by true REPENTANCE, and CONVERSION. I put repentance and conversion together, because the Scripture puts them together (Acts 3:19), and because they plainly signify much the same thing."


Pendleton continues:

"Without fully endorsing the view of these great men, I may say that if regeneration and repentance are not identical, they are so closely connected that it is not worth while to inquire whether the one precedes or follows the other. As to regeneration and faith, a plausible argument may be made in favor of the priority of either. For example, if we turn to John 1:12, 13 it seems natural to suppose that those who believed in Christ were those who had been born of God. So also according to the correct rendering of I John 5:1, "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is (has been) born of God." Some use this passage as it reads in the Common Version, "is born of God," to prove that faith is prior to regeneration because the means of it; but the argument fails in view of the fact that not the present, but the perfect, tense is used in the original--"has been born of God." But if we turn to Galatians 3:26, "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus," the obvious view is that we become God's children by faith, or, in other words, that faith is instrumental in effecting regeneration. We see, therefore, that there may be a plausible argument on either side of the question. It is, perhaps, in view of this fact, wisest and safest to consider regeneration and faith simultaneous, or so nearly so that the question of precedence should not be considered at all. The adoption of this theory will save us from perplexities which will otherwise annoy. For instance, those insisting on the precedence of regeneration are not a little perplexed when asked if there can be a regenerate unbeliever, and those taking the opposite view are eqaully perplexed when asked if there can be an unregenerate believer. That regeneration and faith are not separable in point of time is, all things considered, the most satisfactory position. One thing is certain--wherever we see a regenerate person, we see a believer in Christ; and wherever we see a believer in Christ, we see a regenerate person." ("Christian Doctrines," pages 256-58)

Pendleton was very insightful and true to Holy Scripture and historic Baptist teaching in his remarks above. For instance, he says:

"For this reason the heading of this chapter has been selected, and I purposely present in closest connection Regeneration, Repentance, and Faith. Nor is it my intention to dwell on what has been termed "the order of time."

Yes, I agree that this whole discussion about "ordo salutis" has been a plague to the classical "theologians." It is absurd and fraught with all kinds of theological difficulty to separate the elements of regeneration and the new birth as though one may exist without the others. He says truly, that

"...regeneration and repentance are in substance the same so that the question as to order of time is ruled out."


That is why, as I have said, that the holy scriptures do not strictly follow an "ordo salutis," respecting the essential elements of "regeneration." To argue over "which comes first," faith or repentance, assumes 1) that one may in fact precede the other (when they cannot), and 2) that the scriptures always present the terms in the same order (when they do not), and 3) that one must be a cause of the other (when they can be, and are, both effects of the same cause); And, to argue over "which comes first," regeneration or conversion, is also to "strive about words to no profit," and evinces a purpose to separate what God has joined together. Such "vain reasonings" and "human logic" (or perhaps, "Greek Speculative Theory") applied to the metaphysical understanding of what is called "regeneration" or the "New Birth," is about as profitable as to asking these questions:

1. Which comes first, regeneration or the new birth?
2. Which comes first, creation in Christ Jesus or the new birth?
3. Which comes first, living or hearing the voice of Christ?
4. Which comes first, coming to Christ, or life?
5. Which comes first, being freed from sin or freed to Christ?

I think it is obvious that the people asking such questions are wrong in that they fail to realize that these various terms are but descriptions of the same experience, but viewed from different perspectives or from various relations. I have already mentioned Hebrews 6:9 where the writer speaks of the "things (plural) that accompany salvation." To have salvation is to have its essential elements, its rudimental graces and fundamental gifts. Repentance and godly sorrow, with faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and the gospel, with a spontaneous confession of the same with the heart and lips, with love for God, are integral elements of what it means to be saved, born again, regenerated, renewed, quickened, created, etc.

Pendleton continues:

"...the same change in the state of the mind is signified with that which the Scripture speaks of as efffected by true REPENTANCE, and CONVERSION. I put repentance and conversion together, because the Scripture puts them together (Acts 3:19), and because they plainly signify much the same thing."

Brother, that is the truth of the matter and one in keeping with the historic Baptist faith. He says further, however:

"It is, perhaps, in view of this fact, wisest and safest to consider regeneration and faith simultaneous, or so nearly so that the question of precedence should not be considered at all."

And again:

"...the question of precedence should not be considered at all."

Amen brother! It is sad that men have substituted the clear teachings of the Bible with their "vain speculations."


Ordo Salutis

I agree wholeheartedly that this debate over the "Ordo Salutis" has not been productive. The voice and words of Brother Pendleton need reverberating throughout the theological world.

The Campbellites and the Baptists split over the "order of salvation," disagreeing over the relationship of "baptism" and "good works" to "salvation."

J. P. Boyce, in writing upon "Regeneration" and "Conversion," says:

"At the outset of a discussion of these two subjects we are met by the question, whether they are not one and the same thing. They are unquestionably so intimately associated that it is difficult to separate them and point out the distinctions between them. The Scriptures connect the two under the one idea of the new birth, and teach that not only is regeneration an absolute essential in each conversion, but that in every intelligent responsible soul conversion invariably accompanies regeneration. It is not strange, therefore, that they are often confounded. Yet, after all, the Scriptures also teach that regeneration is the work of God, changing the heart of man by his sovereign will, while conversion is the act of man turning towards God with the new inclination thus given to his heart."

"From the Scriptural teaching we see that the whole work of Regeneration and Conversion is included under the one term regeneration."

"It is true that but few of the passages refer to anything save the work of God; yet these few sufficiently teach the use of the word in regeneration to lead us not to reject, as a part of it, that result of God's act which, in connection with the word, leads to the full union of its subject with Christ through repentance and faith."

"The whole work is thus spoken of, however, because God is operative from the beginning to the end, but this does not prove that he does not operate differently in one part from what he does in the other."


The above citations of Boyce clearly show that he believed, as did the truly Old Baptists, that the new birth was not accomplished in one who did not come to faith and repentance. It is clear that he believed that this was accomplished through means and that he rejected the Hardshell "Spirit Alone" view of "regeneration."

Some have cited from this same section of Boyce's "Systematic Theology," on "Regeneration and Conversion," wherein he seems to deny what he said in the above citations, and seems to accept "Hardshellism" rather than opposing it. What can we say about this? First, let me cite the words of Boyce that supposedly show him accepting the "Pre-Faith" view of "regeneration." Then I will cite the insightful remarks of Brother Ross relative to what Boyce was really teaching and communicating in that section. Lastly, I will add a few remarks of my own on this seeming contradiction in what Boyce wrote and taught on the subject.

Boyce a Hardshell?

Boyce writes:

"V. The relation of regeneration to conversion will, therefore, appear to be one of invariable antecedence.

Wherever the appropriate truth is at the time present its relation is almost that of producing cause, for the prepared heart at once receives the truth. Hence, as this is so generally the case, they have been usually regarded as contemporaneous and by some even as identical. But that regeneration is the invariable antecedent is seen,

1. From the fact that the heart is the soil in which the seed, the word of God, is sown, and that seed only brings forth fruit in the good soil. The heart is made good soil by regeneration.

2. Regeneration (as in infants) MAY exist without faith and repentance, but the latter cannot exist without the former. Therefore, regeneration precedes.

3. Logically the enabling act of God must, in a creature, precede the act of the creature thus enabled. But this logical antecedence involves actual antecedence, or the best conceptions of our mind deceive us and are not reliable. For this logical antecedence exists only because the mind observes plainly a perceived dependence of the existence of the one on the other. But such dependence demands, if not causal, at least antecedent existence. Here it is only antecedent.

VI. There is not only antecedence, but in some cases an appreciable interval.

1. This is true even of conversion regarded as a mere turning to God. Between it and regeneration must intervene in some cases some period of time until the knowledge of God's existence and nature is given, before the heart turns, or even is turned towards that God.

(1.) This must be true of all infants and of all persons otherwise incapable of responsibility, as for example idiots.

(2.) There is no reason why it should not be true of some heathen. The missionaries of the cross have been sought by men, who knew nothing of Christianity, but whose hearts, unsatisfied with the religion of their fathers, were restlessly seeking for what their soul was crying out.

2. It is still more manifestly true of full Christian conversion.

(1.) The Scriptures teach this in many examples of persons pious, holy, and fearing God, yet unacquainted with the full truth which secures union with Christ.

Ethiopian Eunuch: Acts 8:26-40.

Paul: Acts, chapter 9, 22 and 26. Galatians, chapters 1st and 2d.

Cornelius the Centurion: Acts 10:2.

Lydia: Acts 16:14.

(2.) The experience of ministers in all ages with persons seeking and attaining salvation confirms this idea. The attainment of conversion may be marked by stages. The sinner is at first totally indifferent. The word produces on him no effect. Then (1.) There is an evident willingness to give serious attention to the truth of God. God has opened the heart as he did that of Lydia. (2.) There is conviction of sin, sense of its vileness, and of its dangerous effects. (3.) The soul, oppressed by these, strives to do something by which to attain salvation, but finds all in vain. (4.) At last accepting the truth of God's word it rests in trust of a personal Saviour.

VII. The term conversion is not technically applied to any change, except that which follows upon regeneration, and consists in the Godward turning of one heretofore turned entirely away from God. The return of men who have backslidden, or fallen into grievous sin, is also called "a return to God," and such a return is possibly what is called "conversion" in Peter's case. Luke 22:32. But conversion is theologically used exclusively of the first act."


(http://www.founders.org/library/boyce1/ch32.html)

From the above, the words of Boyce seems to echo the words of the Hardshells. It is, sadly, a view that the founders.org group is trying to promote as being the historic teaching of the Baptists. What about these words of Boyce? Are they like the words, often cited from Gill, that alledgedly prove he also denied, like Boyce, the use of means in regeneration, or that regeneration did not include conversion?
I will be dealing with the case of Gill in an upcoming chapter, but let me first deal with Boyce.

A writer on Boyce has well said:

"Like Spurgeon, Boyce often lamented the inroads that Arminianism was making on Baptist life. He saw the fate that awaits the Church when it trades the sovereignty of God for the sovereignty of man. Boyce also warned against the dangers of hyper-Calvinism that had taken root among Baptist in the south in the form of Primitive and Hard-Shell Baptists. He was a Calvinist who was so committed to evangelism that he offered the Seminary grounds to D.L. Moody when he brought his tent to Louisville."

(http://www.siteone.com/religion/baptist/baptistpage/Portraits/boyce.htm)

Here is what Brother Bob Ross wrote in regards to the views of J. P. Boyce, who sometimes made statements, which taken out of context, would imply that he believed in pre-faith regeneration.

"James P. Boyce clearly cannot be put into the "born again before faith" category."

"If one reads what Dr. Boyce says in the first paragraph on page 375 of his Abstract of Systematic Theology (Christian Gospel Foundation reprint of 1887 edition), it is hardly possible to lump Boyce with the "no means" theologians such as Shedd, the Hodges, Frame, and Berkhof on this matter. He refers to the Word as "part" and "in connection with" the "work of God" in production of the "result," the New Birth.

Boyce was educated at Princeton Seminary under the Presbyterian scholars, particularly Charles Hodge, and some of his nomenclautre might at first appear to some as at least consistent with Hodge's view. If Boyce indeed held that view, I would suspect he imbibed it from his Princeton Pedobaptist teachers, or had it further developed in his thinking under them. This theory certainly derives from the Pedobaptist Hybrid Calvinists.

However, I do not really find any explicit denial by Boyce of the "use of the Word" in the act of regeneration itself, and this strikes at the heart of the pedo theory, for this theory rests on the very foundation that "regeneration" is an act which takes place apart from the necessary use of means as the instrumentality.

In fact, in Boyce's statement on page 375, he indicates there are passages of Scripture which "sufficiently teach the USE of the word IN regeneration" (page 375). He cites some of these verses in the next few paragraphs.

That God does a pre-faith work or activity in the heart, we certainly believe, and Boyce teaches this. But that this early preliminary work constitutes the New Birth is "too much too soon," NOR DO WE FIND BOYCE TEAChING THAT.

Rather, Boyce sets forth two inseparable categories (regeneration and conversion) which he places under ONE IDEA AS THE "NEW BIRTH" (Abstract of Theology, pages 373, 374).

He says: "They are unquestionably so intimately associated that it is difficult to separate them and point out the distinctions between them. The SCRIPTURES CONNECT the TWO under THE ONE IDEA of the NEW BIRTH, and teach that not only is regeneration an absolute essential in each conversion, but that in every intelligent responsible soul conversion invariably ACCOMPANIES regeneration."

So, with Boyce, I hardly see how it could be said that the sinner undergoes the "NEW BIRTH" BEFORE he has experienced repentance and faith, which according to Boyce constitute conversion.

If we follow Boyce's line of thought, consider the following:

If (1) "regeneration" and (2) "conversion" are "TWO under the ONE idea" of the "NEW BIRTH," then it could hardly be said that the sinner has been BORN AGAIN, or has experienced the NEW BIRTH, unless he simultaneously has experienced repentance and faith which constitute "conversion." Boyce says the "TWO" (regeneration and conversion) go under "ONE IDEA" -- THE NEW BIRTH.

(1) Regeneration and Conversion (repentance and faith) are TWO under ONE idea.

(2) The one idea is called the "NEW BIRTH."

(3) Therefore, a sinner has not experienced the "NEW BIRTH" until he has experienced conversion (repentance and faith).

It is clear that all Boyce is teaching is that when (1) the Gospel is preached, (2) the power which regenerates "in connection with the Word" is the power of the Holy Spirit, and (3) whenever He uses the Word to generate repentance from sin and faith in Christ the sinner is born again, and (4) these combined elements -- (a) the power of the Spirit and (b) the Word-generated repentance faith -- constitute the NEW BIRTH.

Furthermore, Boyce incorporates the role of MEANS in this work, for he says "The FIRST STEP here is to make known to man the GOSPEL" (page 367). If that is the FIRST STEP, then you cannot have the NEW BIRTH without the means of the GOSPEL being used as the instrumentality by the Holy Spirit.

This certainly conflicts with the Pedo view of "born again before faith," wherein "regeneration" is imagined to be a "DIRECT OPERATION" in the case of both (1) babies and (2) adults -- apart from, without, and exclusive of the necessary use of the Word as the essential means or instrumentality, and without repentance and faith (conversion) being the immediate, simultaneous necessary production by the WORD and of the SPIRIT."

(http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=23354593&postID=115173577614521347)

It is obvious that Boyce distinguishes between how Scriptures define and use the word "regeneration," and with how the "hair-splitting" theologians have used them. He speaks of how words, like regeneration and conversion, are "technically applied" and how they are "theologically used" by "theologians," but he does not allow that such strict definitions are warranted by the Sciptures. He simply assumes the "theological definitions" of the terms "regeneration" and "conversion," for the sake of argument and convenience, and shows, by such definitions of the term, how of course "regeneration" precedes faith, repentance, and conversion, yea, even before being "born again"! But, in such reasoning, the writer is only assuming the definition of "regeneration" as being limited to the initial move of the Spirit in preparing the heart for the full birth, and yes, in such context, "regeneration" does predede faith, conviction, knowledge, love, and every other grace. But, we are not talking in context, in such cases, with the Bible, and one must wonder how much good, as Pendleton warned, has come of all this talk about "ordo salutis." Thus, such a theological definition would not equate with the term "new birth." But, both Boyce and Scripture equate them, and so the "theologians," who rather and unscripturally "narrowly define" the term "regeneration" win the day in showing that "regeneration," so defined, precedes faith and conversion. By such a definition, of course, a man is not saved when he is "regenerated" for he is not yet "born again" (by Boyce's dfeinition), and not yet possessed of any grace of the Spirit.

Boyce does what Gill did, in some parts of his writings on this subject, in which they both would sometimes 1) Speculate or suggest things without dogmatically affirming his speculations, and/or 2) Say, "If we define the term in such and such a way, then..."

Thus we find right at the outset of Boyce's treatise saying that such and such "appear to be one of invariable antecedence." Certainly things are not always what they "appear" to be. He is simply giving "logical deductions," deductions which are necessary if one accepts the premises (prior definitions).

Now, it does seem plain that "regeneration" does in fact occur prior to the new birth and conversion IF we define the term to simply mean "prior preparations" in which God works to prepare the heart and soul for the reception of life and salvation through the word.

If we equate, for instance, the terms "conviction" for "regeneration," then yes, "regeneration" precedes "conversion." But, is simply being "convicted" of sin the same as "regeneration," biblically speaking? It may be, in some "theological circles," and using "theological jargon," but not if we stay close to how the Bible defines and uses terms.

Now, I think too, that Boyce, due to his belief in the "regeneration" and salvation of infants and idiots, believed that God worked "extraordinarily," in these cases, as did the writers of the 1689 Confession, as I have shown (and will deal with again in an upcoming chapter on "Infant Regeneration"), while it was his "ordinary" way, with all others, to use the means of gospel truth. This is no doubt the most predominant view of the Baptists throughout history. Few have preached the damnation of these classes of sinners. Most have allowed that God "regenerates" these in a manner without human means. Some have confessed that they have no answer from the Scriptures, others argue that it cannot be proven that the means of applying gospel truth, to infants and idiots, is not possible, as I have shown and will enlarge upon yet.

Some of the arguments that Boyce raises relative to infants and idiots and to God's "preparatory" workings in people before they are "born again" and "come to faith and repentance," I have already addressed in previous chapters of this book. Some I will yet address in future chapters. For instance, the case of Lydia and Cornelius will be taken up, together with other arguments and cases identified by Boyce, the Hardshells, and by those who believe in "Pre-Faith Regeneration."

Biblical regeneration is well defined in Scriptures. All the relevant New Testament passages, if examined together and honestly, will give a picture of the new birth that makes the application of gospel truth an integral part of it.