"Regeneration: Instantanaous or Elongated?"
"In the library forum, there was a discussion of John Murray's view of regeneration as an instantaneous occurrence. I thought it might be worth a thread of its own.
Murray's view seems to dominate these days, but Dr Peter Masters, the Pastor of the Metropolitan Tabernacle in London ('Spurgeon's' ) and Principal of the London Reformed Baptist Seminary claims that this is not the traditional view of the Puritans and that it destroys preaching, since under Murray's view, one is either dead in one's sins and unable to respond to the Gospel, or converted and in no need of Gospel preaching.
Masters includes an appendix in his book, Physicians of Souls giving a summary of a work by William Perkins, a 16th Century Puritan, called The Golden Chaine: Or The Description of Theologie: Containing the Order of the causes of Salvation and Damnation. They knew how to give books titles in those days! Perkins believed that there was an elongated process both before and after regeneration. He suggested ten stages:-
1. The ministry of the word comes, together perhaps with some outward or inward 'cross' or crisis, which makes the sinner's stubborn nature pliable to the will of God.
2. God brings the mind of the sinner to think about His holy laws.
3. God makes the sinner see and feel his very own sins, and how he offends God.
4. God smites the sinner's heart with fear of punishment and hell, and makes him despair of attaining salvation by his own efforts.
5. The mind is stirred up to serious consideration of the promises of salvation set forth in the Gospel.
6. God kindles a seed or spark of faith, or a will or desire to believe, and also gives grace to strive against doubt or despair.
7. Now a conflict takes place, in which that measure of faith fights with doubting, despair and distrust. In this battle, the person fervently, continuously and earnestly calls upon God for pardon, and this desire prevails.
8. God quietens and settles the conscience to feel more sure of salvation, and the soul rests on the promise of life.
9. The person truly repents with sorrow at having offended such a merciful and loving God, and he yeilds his entire being: his life, love and his behaviour.
10. The peson manifests a new obedience, in which he conscientiously obeys the commands of God, and walks in newness of life.
Perkins held that the first 5 stages could occur in the lives of those who do not come to salvation (Felix, Agrippa), but in the case of the elect, Perkins taught that the first 5 stages humbled them and prepared the way for regeneration. I'm sure this is all a bit over-elaborate. I can't trace all those stages in my own conversion. But those who have read Bunyan's account of his own conversion ( 'Grace Abounding to the Chief of Sinners' ) will know how he struggled for about 18 months before comng to a settled faith. There's more to Masters argument than that, but perhaps it's enough to stimulate some discussion."
http://www.biblelighthouse.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=650
I am sure that the bible and the Baptist Confessions teach that regeneration or the new birth is not a finished act until all ten of the items listed above are realities. But, more in upcoming chapters. "Stimulate some discussion"? Yes indeed!
4 comments:
Elongated regeneration? It seems that James Arminius viewed it the same way, he juste described it as progressive regeneration. Maybe Arminianism isn't that bad after all:)
Stephen,
I am continuing to read
your blog on regeneration.
This is excellent to give
such historical views of
great Bible teachers.
I would like to read
something that includes
Romans 8:29-30. The
relationship between
regeneration and the
effectual calling has
my attention. Any
suggestions here?
Dear Anon:
Thanks for your comment!
You said:
"Elongated regeneration? It seems that James Arminius viewed it the same way, he just described it as progressive regeneration. Maybe Arminianism isn't that bad after all."
I think you will find both Arminians and Calvinists who believe in some kind of "elongated" regeneration.
I also agree with the recent citation which affirmed that the word "regeneration" itself has become so convoluted, meaning different things to different theologians, and meaning who knows what to one who knows nothing about the bible. The only two times the word is used certainly does not view "regeneration" as something that is instantaneous, do they?
Therefore, I think it best to talk more about being "born" or "begotten" or "converted," the words most often used in scripture, rather than the vague word "regeneration" which is defined in many ways by theologians but only one way in scripture.
Certainly, most Calvinists and Arminians believe in some kind of prepartory work in the hearts and minds of sinners prior to "regeneration" or the "new birth." Oftentimes this "prepatory work" is "elongated," spanning years.
Even the various models of the "ordo salutis" that I have referenced lately show that there is widespread agreement by both Arminians and Calvinists that there are aspects of being "converted" that are elongated. That is not to say, however, that the instant of birth or spiritual resurrection is not sudden and instantaneous. The moment a man believes, that very moment he is born of the Spirit or converted.
And, what is wrong with elongated conversion or regeneration? Did not Paul say to the Galatians that he travailed in an elongated manner for the birth of them?
If spiritual birth is equated with Christ being formed in us, then who can say that this formation is always instantaneous?
Stephen
Dear Dr. Trader:
Thanks for your gracious words. It is always good to know that one's feeble writings are doing some good.
You said:
"I am continuing to read
your blog on regeneration.
This is excellent to give
such historical views of
great Bible teachers."
Again, thank you. I think it is very important for us to study our history for "there is nothing new under the sun." What doctrinal disagreements exist now have existed before. Our Baptist forefathers are to be remembered with grateful hearts as we see their firm stand on issues affecting Baptist life.
You then say:
"I would like to read something that includes Romans 8:29-30. The
relationship between regeneration and the effectual calling has
my attention. Any suggestions here?"
What is wrong with seeing effectually calling as regeneration? This question is like asking
1) What is the relationship between regeneration and the new birth?
2) What is the relationship between faith and repentance?
I think the the "ordo salutis" given by Paul in these verses are about as far as we need to go in giving such an order.
What "hair-splitting" theologians do is try to split up Paul's five parts into sub parts, and then into even smaller sub parts, and so on, till no end. Why do we want to disect up things beyond what is warranted by scripture?
A person is "effectually called" when he is regenerated and vice versa. A man is effectually called when he believes and repents of sin. This effectual call is by God's word and Spirit.
What we call "conversion" is what the bible, and the Old Baptists of the Confessions, for the most part, called "regeneration" or the "new birth."
Notice that one, according to the ordo salutis given by Paul, is not justified until after he has been called.
As far as what materials to suggest, I think I would need for you to be a little more specific on your question.
God bless
Stephen
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